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[Craig 6947]

Is it the same Rupert Lowe who used to own Southampton FC?

 

[ewerk 33521]

Spitfire cunt [/wyki]

[Monkeys Fist 45714]

29 minutes ago, Craig said:

Is it the same Rupert Lowe who used to own Southampton FC?

 

It is. 

[PaddockLad 19234]

Listened to this on the way into Bath this morning. On the face of it he’s not saying much beyond the usual natavist (for me that’s a better way of describing what may be termed right wing, it’s a term used in the actual podcast itself on numerous occasions) talking points. The only thing that has given me pause to think is when he says that it took relatively few people in the Nationalist community in Northern Ireland to kick off and subsequently sustain the revolt against the UK government for the best part of 30 years…there are undeniably a significant minority of people in the country as we speak who are unspeakably angry with politicians mostly about immigration. He suggests the success of ULEZ “bladerunners” going undetected shows what can be achieved  by highly motivated groups. Probably needs another atrocity by an immigrant like we saw last summer to truly kick things off…
 

 

[Gemmill 50820]

https://www.threads.net/@politicsjoe/post/DHB0ASxI8jh?xmt=AQGzZFHjXkfinbsAo7TwGu0SsWnnvaVUeQzsvjTC23Y3GQ

 

This little cunt should be doing jail time for this. Not getting to sit in front of a committee and spin bullshit responses like it's all a big jape. 

[Alex 37146]

29 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

https://www.threads.net/@politicsjoe/post/DHB0ASxI8jh?xmt=AQGzZFHjXkfinbsAo7TwGu0SsWnnvaVUeQzsvjTC23Y3GQ

 

This little cunt should be doing jail time for this. Not getting to sit in front of a committee and spin bullshit responses like it's all a big jape. 

Absolutely. BTW, you remember the press kicking off about nepotism, expenses, inaccurate CVs and so on the second Labour got into power? It got me thinking about Rupert McNeil, former government chief people officer, appointed under the Tory government in 2016. Who publicly acknowledged (I think it was in a private blog) that he not only went to school with, but also was good friends with and even went inter railing with Michael Cunting Gove. Not a sniff of media interest in that story afaik 

[Kid Dynamite 7772]

NHS England being abolished. My Mam works for them. No-one knew it was happening until Starmer announced it on telly today. Musk-esque management 

[Rayvin 6043]

I don't know enough to give an opinion on the merits of the restructure, other than to say the notion that bringing it under the direct control of MPs to increase accountability and transparency is flat out hilarious based on what we saw with Covid.

[Alex 37146]

1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

I don't know enough to give an opinion on the merits of the restructure, other than to say the notion that bringing it under the direct control of MPs to increase accountability and transparency is flat out hilarious based on what we saw with Covid.

It’s bringing it under the direct control of the Secretary of State. I know he’s an MP but it’s worth pointing out the distinction. It’s not like MPs as a whole get more power over it. 

[Kid Dynamite 7772]

2 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

I don't know enough to give an opinion on the merits of the restructure, other than to say the notion that bringing it under the direct control of MPs to increase accountability and transparency is flat out hilarious based on what we saw with Covid.

I suspect it's less about "sorting out the NHS" and more about "we need to find some spare £billions from somewhere to fund the defence budget increase"

[Alex 37146]

1 minute ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I suspect it's less about "sorting out the NHS" and more about "we need to find some spare £billions from somewhere to fund the defence budget increase"

I think it’s about Wes Streeting owning the responsibility. I don’t think there will be huge job cuts and most if not all redundancies will be voluntary. If you tell too many people in advance it just gets leaked though. I hope your mam is ok as I totally get it’s a fucking nasty shock hearing about it like that but they’ll still need most of the people to do the actual work. But it wouldn’t find defence spending in the short term to just get rid of all those people. You can only do that on the public sector by throwing loads of money at the problem. That’s one of the reasons public sector poor performance is managed so badly. It’s cheaper than getting rid of people 

[Alex 37146]

Btw, I’m not seeking to defend it. It smacks of another big announcement that’s very light on actual detail 

[Kid Dynamite 7772]

I hope you're right. But the early signs are 10,000 people will lose their jobs. And there's a difference between not telling too many people about the plans so it doesn't leak, and announcing it on TV before you've even sent an email to the staff affected.

[Renton 24099]

My brother is NHSE and I'm currently off to join an adjacent NHS quango, unprotected. So it's a concern. I would say, from personal experience, that there has been a lot of duplication between the likes of NHSE and NHS Digital which could be streamlined. I've also witnessed first hand some really bad clinical decision making from NHSE resulting in millions not being spent cost effectively., because they don't understand health economics. 

Despite this and contrary to popular red top beliefs, the NHS is still one of the most administratively efficient health services in the World. I hope any redundancies are voluntary and properly planned. Given the grade you said your Mam was on KD she will get paid an absolute fortune if she was made redundant. Honestly, in that scenario it's more likely they'll find another role for her, especially if she is near retirement. 

[Alex 37146]

48 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I hope you're right. But the early signs are 10,000 people will lose their jobs. And there's a difference between not telling too many people about the plans so it doesn't leak, and announcing it on TV before you've even sent an email to the staff affected.

I don’t think he’s said they’re all losing their jobs. But the lack of detail in the announcement allows for media to fill in the gaps. And thousands of job cuts makes better headlines. It’s a cunt’s trick if it’s not immediately followed up by the employees being told what this means in reality for them. I bet that hasn’t even by worked out yet though because it is not a straightforward process. Which, if so, is even worse from a duty of care pov. Tbh all of their language around the public sector has been abysmal and no different to the previous lot. Like do they really think telling people they are inefficient is an effective way to improve productivity? 

[Kid Dynamite 7772]

2 hours ago, Renton said:

My brother is NHSE and I'm currently off to join an adjacent NHS quango, unprotected. So it's a concern. I would say, from personal experience, that there has been a lot of duplication between the likes of NHSE and NHS Digital which could be streamlined. I've also witnessed first hand some really bad clinical decision making from NHSE resulting in millions not being spent cost effectively., because they don't understand health economics. 

Despite this and contrary to popular red top beliefs, the NHS is still one of the most administratively efficient health services in the World. I hope any redundancies are voluntary and properly planned. Given the grade you said your Mam was on KD she will get paid an absolute fortune if she was made redundant. Honestly, in that scenario it's more likely they'll find another role for her, especially if she is near retirement. 

She retired and returned part time 2 years ago so she's one of the lucky ones really. But it means she will get 2 months redundancy rather than 2 years 

[Renton 24099]

 

 

This is fucking grim from Bridget like, if true. I advise @Rayvin not to click.

Labour can't continue with this shit. I am finding it very hard to support them myself and I'm about as Labour as they come. This would be a red line for me. 

 

[Gemmill 50820]

I cancelled my membership direct debit last week like. Sent them an email telling them to cancel my membership and saying I thought it was the other lot that made the already poor and disabled worse off.

 

Nothing good to say about those cunts atm. 

[Dazzler 12115]

That’s not even a centre left position. It’s just outright tory. Fucking bat shit insane and all because they are too terrified to tax the ultra wealthy at a reasonable level for fear it’ll cost them the next election in 4.5 years. It’s going to cost them it anyway. Hopefully, it’ll cost them votes to a somewhat respectable party like the Lib Dem’s or Green and not lead us into a reform government, who will just continue the fine work of their colleagues in labour.

 

It’s going to be reform though because the British public are fucking beyond stupid

 

At least there will be loads of empty council houses to sell off though since most of the people in them won’t get health insurance and will die off within 6 months. So there’s that….

[Gemmill 50820]

Reform are fucking hopeless but at this stage when they've been failed by the Tories, and are being failed by Labour, I couldn't really blame  people if they decided to roll the dice on Reform. 

Edited Monday at 12:01 by Gemmill

[Monkeys Fist 45714]

3 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

they are too terrified to tax the ultra wealthy at a reasonable level for fear it’ll cost them the next election in 4.5 years. It’s going to cost them it anyway

Aye- might as well get as much off the ultra rich as possible before the dumb fuckers vote Reform in, and not be known as the one’s that took away free school meals. 
 

£0.5 billion saving… wouldn’t Amazon, Costa, and whichever other corporate cunts are dodging paying their whack more than cover that if they paid what they should? 

[Monkeys Fist 45714]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

Reform are fucking hopeless but at this stage when they've been failed by the Tories, and are being failed by Labour, I couldn't really blame  people if they decided to roll the dice on Reform. 

I would like- 

“ We’ve tried the others, let’s give the racist/facists a go”?????

 

 

Nah

[Gemmill 50820]

1 minute ago, Monkeys Fist said:

I would like- 

“ We’ve tried the others, let’s give the racist/facists a go”?????

 

 

Nah

 

We're talking about people that aren't up on the news here though. They engage with politics once every 5 years at an election, and they're being made worse off by everybody they've voted for so far. What are they gonna do, go with Labour again who just took their kids free school dinners off them? 

[Howmanheyman 36984]

Already had some worried conversations with the missus about the potential risks of these cuts to the disabled via pip and UC. We've finally got in a position where I can do a PT job but if they fuck us up that's the end of that. It's really, really not what this party was funded for by the working man and woman via union subs. Fucking disgraceful.

[Monkeys Fist 45714]

2 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

We're talking about people that aren't up on the news here though. They engage with politics once every 5 years at an election, and they're being made worse off by everybody they've voted for so far. What are they gonna do, go with Labour again who just took their kids free school dinners off them? 

I don’t really have the answer to that, but I know it’s not fucking Nigel Farage. 

 

The answer will never be that fucker.