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[Gemmill 46180]

9 hours ago, Renton said:

I used to collaborate with that same department a decade ago. 

 

 

 Collaborate 

 

[Alex 35662]

24 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/14/rishi-sunak-class-system-ripley-saltburn?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

 

As usual, very well observed. It doesn’t excuse his appalling philosophy but it does in part explain it. And it even makes sense re: the caricature that is JRM. He’s ‘nouveau riche’ compared to a true natural nasty posh cunt like Johnson. You also see it in the various guises of the trying way too hard Braverman, Badenoch and Truss. They’re all fucking mental, but that’s partly why they think it’s something to aspire to. I was privy to letters secretaries of state sent to then PM Johnson. The language then Foreign Secretary Truss used was like a ridiculous parody of someone trying to sound like a bonafide member of that set. With words like heft used instead of influence. The class system, starting with that jug-eared cunt, is the first thing I’d get rid of if I could. 

[Gemmill 46180]

Alright stop, collaborate and listen, 

Renty's back with a brand new patient. 

[Alex 35662]

9 hours ago, Renton said:

Spent the day today in the ED of the RVI for my mum. It was like ER from the 90s. Trolleys everywhere, a mix of overdose, alcohol withdrawals, heart attacks, mental illness, people dying. I was there for 10 hours* before they decided to admit my mum, at which point I left to get some rest before the diagnostic merrygo round continues tomorrow as my mum slowly dies (as we all do). 

Why am I saying this in a politics thread? I dunno, I used to collaborate with that same department a decade ago. It was never stressed like that. The amazing thing today was underneath the chaos you could see order, and compassion, but people are firefighting against a broken society. The staff, well you know, you're a better man than me Gunga Ding. NHS staff always amaze me. 

Farage is quite open about destroying the NHS. That, and some other public services we have, are the only things that make this place more bearable than the States (who have higher salaries to [not] compensate). The man is a fucking fraud, an obvious fucking charlatan. 

Know what my mum said when I was driving her over? "I was listening to the BBC this morning, Farage was on, and he made some good points son, you should listen to him" . Life long Labour supporter. 

 

* Without any fucking internet. 

Farage is basically that boring ‘controversial’ wanker that appears on here from time to time and gets eviscerated. Almost everything he says is carefully considered to be an allusion to racism without actually saying it. In order to provoke a ‘how is that racist?’ response from him and his followers if he’s called out as such. It never ceases to depress me that people can’t see right through him. 

[wykikitoon 20903]

7 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Alright stop, collaborate and listen, 

Renty's back with a brand new patient. 

[Gemmill 46180]

1 minute ago, Alex said:

Farage is basically that boring ‘controversial’ wanker that appears on here from time to time and gets eviscerated. Almost everything he says is carefully considered to be an allusion to racism without actually saying it. In order to provoke a ‘how is that racist?’ response from him and his followers if he’s called out as such. It never ceases to depress me that people can’t see right through him. 

 

Speaking of which.... Got some very triumphant texts from my mam yesterday about Reform polling ahead of the Tories.

 

Sent her one back referring to the self-publicising, racist architect of Brexit and she quickly changed the subject. Not that keen to talk about Brexit anymore, although as expected it's not Brexit that's the problem, it's *this version* of Brexit. 

 

Last time I went out for a dog walk with my dad, he raised the horrifying spectre of 15 minute cities. I had to try and explain that it's a simple town planning concept that has been weaponised by conspiracy nuts, but unfortunately the conspiracy nuts have won the day there too. 

 

How I came from these people, I do not know. It's genuinely depressing though, the power of social media to melt people's brains. 

[Alex 35662]

3 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

Speaking of which.... Got some very triumphant texts from my mam yesterday about Reform polling ahead of the Tories.

 

Sent her one back referring to the self-publicising, racist architect of Brexit and she quickly changed the subject. Not that keen to talk about Brexit anymore, although as expected it's not Brexit that's the problem, it's *this version* of Brexit. 

 

Last time I went out for a dog walk with my dad, he raised the horrifying spectre of 15 minute cities. I had to try and explain that it's a simple town planning concept that has been weaponised by conspiracy nuts, but unfortunately the conspiracy nuts have won the day there too. 

 

How I came from these people, I do not know. It's genuinely depressing though, the power of social media to melt people's brains. 

That and GB news. The de facto father in law said to me with a straight face this country has never been better and is considerably improved compared to 14 years ago. Worst part is I don’t even think he believes it himself. He just can’t bring himself to admit what his beloved Tories have done to the country his grandchildren have to grow up in 

[Gemmill 46180]

I have to hold myself back from bringing up my niece and nephew when I get into it with my mam and sister about Brexit. Both voted for it, both made these kids' lives worse off, but it feels a step too far to actually spell it out to them. 

 

My sister loves falling out with people and I suspect I'd never hear from her again, and scoring a point in an argument probably isn't worth that. Probably. 

[Howmanheyman 33946]

I'm not exaggerating and have mentioned this before but it is permanently on at my in-laws, obviously can't speak for when we're not there but every time we go around it's on. I was there on Thursday but it was just the MiL and it was on. I don't say as much to them but I just ask them to turn the volume low 'so I can hear them' and on Thursday just walked in and turned it down myself. Trouble is my dad sometimes watches it, when it's on there I do the same or make some remark. I popped up last Saturday but my Mam was out with my sister so there was just my dad and it was on. I went into the kitchen to make a cuppa for us and when I got back it was on sky news.

 

I never said anything but I was a bit like.....

 

 

Small steps. He used to read the mirror and slaughter the Tories when I was a kid but started getting the mail around 20-30 years ago and also him being ex-forces helps as they play on that stuff when the truth is they couldn't give a fuck about the plebs who are in the ranks especially before and after their service. It's hard to go too far as I don't want to cause bad feeling in their latter years. (I'd never forgive myself).

[Rayvin 5329]

I would. Two of my sisters aren't talking to me as it is

[Monkeys Fist 43223]

I’m happy to say that Ma Fist is still a rabid socialist at 84. 
 

She refers to Sunak as The Mantlepiece because you could rest your elbow on him…

… she’s 5’0”. 

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[Howmanheyman 33946]

9 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

I would. Two of my sisters aren't talking to me as it is

 

My dad isn't really that way inclined but he's old now and has slowly been brainwashed but like Darth Vader, I know there's good in him. (politically). Take away politics, (and he doesn't rant on like a gammon anyway), he's just a good bloke. No way, other than the odd comment where my feelings are known, am I pushing it.

[Alex 35662]

14 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said:

I'm not exaggerating and have mentioned this before but it is permanently on at my in-laws, obviously can't speak for when we're not there but every time we go around it's on. I was there on Thursday but it was just the MiL and it was on. I don't say as much to them but I just ask them to turn the volume low 'so I can hear them' and on Thursday just walked in and turned it down myself. Trouble is my dad sometimes watches it, when it's on there I do the same or make some remark. I popped up last Saturday but my Mam was out with my sister so there was just my dad and it was on. I went into the kitchen to make a cuppa for us and when I got back it was on sky news.

 

I never said anything but I was a bit like.....

 

 

Small steps. He used to read the mirror and slaughter the Tories when I was a kid but started getting the mail around 20-30 years ago and also him being ex-forces helps as they play on that stuff when the truth is they couldn't give a fuck about the plebs who are in the ranks especially before and after their service. It's hard to go too far as I don't want to cause bad feeling in their latter years. (I'd never forgive myself).

Similar with me. I sometimes pipe up but it’s not really worth it and a waste of time anyway. Out of my mam, dad, and my lass’ parents, my dad is the only one I can have a reasonable conversation about politics etc with

[wykikitoon 20903]

[Dazzler 10442]

My dad was a staunch labour voter up until Corbyn (he’s not voting for a fucking commie etc). Then he bought into the populist shite of Farage and he’s never looked back, despite me pointing out that Farage would dismantle the very socialist NHS that has bought him and my mam 20+ extra years.

 

It’s mental to think that South Park actually nailed the public attitude to immigrants and how easy it is to twist them up to it. 80 years after D Day and we’ve learned absolutely fuck all from WW2 it appears.

[GrahamTaylor5 995]

I do feel for you guys with families who support the right wing. I know a woman who works part time in admin, probably takes home around £11,000 a year max and has said "What have Labour ever done for us up here (in the north). I was speechless which is a rarity. 

 

My wife's brother in law works on the metro and is a massive Tory. Thinks he is better than the majority of people and doesn't realise that he is one of the people that the 'real Tories' look down on. A pleb with nothing to offer society.

[Holden McGroin 6793]

Aye, since my Dad died, my mother has had no-one to ground her. She has gone from Labour -> Tory (in 2019 like Dazzlers Fatha) and now will be voting Reform. 

 

She bleated on about Eastern Europeans coming over a few years but still hired Janek to do clean her windows..  "Oh, but he is nice". I think he fucked off back to  Poland around Brexit time.

 

[wykikitoon 20903]

3 hours ago, GrahamTaylor5 said:

I do feel for you guys with families who support the right wing. I know a woman who works part time in admin, probably takes home around £11,000 a year max and has said "What have Labour ever done for us up here (in the north). I was speechless which is a rarity. 

 

My wife's brother in law works on the metro and is a massive Tory. Thinks he is better than the majority of people and doesn't realise that he is one of the people that the 'real Tories' look down on. A pleb with nothing to offer society.

I think that's a thing.  People vote Tory as that's where they see themselves.  I know a lad who is clueless when it comes to politics, but votes Tory because that's where he sees himself socially.

[NJS 4411]

That's a very common trait - the whole right to buy thing was based on the notion that homeowners ate/vote tory. 

[Renton 22032]

Also common with Labour, or used to be. I find it difficult to imagine voting anything but Labour, but that's partly because the Conservatives are the opposition in my seat. I'd always vote for the party most likely to oust them, apart from Reform. 

[Alex 35662]

36 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

I think that's a thing.  People vote Tory as that's where they see themselves.  I know a lad who is clueless when it comes to politics, but votes Tory because that's where he sees himself socially.

He sees himself as a cunt? 

 

[wykikitoon 20903]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

He sees himself as a cunt? 

 

[GrahamTaylor5 995]

2 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

I think that's a thing.  People vote Tory as that's where they see themselves.  I know a lad who is clueless when it comes to politics, but votes Tory because that's where he sees himself socially.

This is spot on and something that I have always thought but never understood. I fail to see how the Tories are an ideal to live up to. I am in a far more comfortable situation, financially, that both of the people I have mentioned but I can not find any draw to the Tories. 

 

I have always voted Labour and I imagine that I will. My family have very little finances when I grew up, but I was loved and my parents always put me and my brothers first, I had access to good (state) education and access to university. I don't think I would have the same chances now.   

 

I am not starry eyed about Labour but I really feel that they are the closest that we will ever get to being able to level up society.

 

I listen to the smaller parties and they are just not realistic in their expectations and aims because they do not have to be.

 

I would love a return to the EU but this is not going to happen any time soon. I also feel that for Labour to back it would create a media backlash which has a big impact.

 

 

[Renton 22032]

This is getting silly.