Politics

[Dazzler 9748]

Maybe they thought Kier needed a bit more zhuzh.

[ewerk 30602]

That was his John Prescott moment and he bottled it.

[Dazzler 9748]

3 minutes ago, ewerk said:

That was his John Prescott moment and he bottled it.

Thank fuck it wasn't his Blair moment otherwise he'd have flattened the poor fuckers house in the search for WMDs and had him waterboarded in one of the back rooms.

[Alex 35079]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

 

steve wraith's consultancy fee was very competitive 

No expense spent 

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

58 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

the fuck is a people's house? 

 

 

Keir looking fabulous darlings!

 

[spongebob toonpants 3996]

Pointing this out is no way me showing support for Hamas but it's interesting framing from the BBC

 

Isrealis killed but Palestinians died

 

 

[Monkeys Fist 42428]

Aye. 
 

Neither side are doing their cause any favours with their actions. 
 

It’s curious that, if Israel considers itself at war, no one is mentioning that they are now committing war crimes. 
 

 

 

What an absolute mess. 

 

[Renton 21621]

3 hours ago, Anorthernsoul said:

 

 

Keir looking fabulous darlings!

 

 

He does, and I understand the frustration, but @Rayvin, this is not the way to go. Hope you get a suspended mate. 

Edited October 10, 2023 by Renton

[Rayvin 5220]

38 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

He does, and I understand the frustration, but @Rayvin, this is not the way to go. Hope you get a suspended mate. 

 

Apparently the guy was a PR agitator so it could well have been me!

[Dr Gloom 21915]

2 hours ago, spongebob toonpants said:

Pointing this out is no way me showing support for Hamas but it's interesting framing from the BBC

 

Isrealis killed but Palestinians died

 

 

nah man, that’s just journalism 101 - you don’t use the same verb twice in quick succession 

[Dr Gloom 21915]

39 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Apparently the guy was a PR agitator so it could well have been me!

wtf was he on about though? We need a people’s house? 

[aimaad22 4156]

14 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

nah man, that’s just journalism 101 - you don’t use the same verb twice in quick succession 

 

I'll just leave this here then....

 

 

 

 

 

[Dr Gloom 21915]

9 minutes ago, aimaad22 said:

 

I'll just leave this here then....

 

 

 

 

 

I really can’t be arsed to get into this shite again. No offence 

 

The BBC does not have a pro-Israel bias. 

 

Kirsty has always been shite at her job.

 

Zomlot handles the interview with great dignity. 
 

Owen Jones is a sanctimonious corbynite.

 

Hope that clears things up 

Edited October 10, 2023 by Dr Gloom

[aimaad22 4156]

The 'bias' is clear as day. Fair enough though. It was food for thought, nooone really changes their opinions based on internet posts.

[Dr Gloom 21915]

I mean if anyone was in any doubt about BBC’s balance, I literally just watched a harrowing report by Jeremy Bowen where Israeli soldiers, fresh from removing whole families, including women and children, who were butchered in a Hamas attack on a kibbutz near the strip, was asked about whether Israel will commit war crimes by attacking civilians in Gaza 

[Dr Gloom 21915]

1 minute ago, aimaad22 said:

The 'bias' is clear as day. Fair enough though. It was food for thought, nooone really changes their opinions based on internet posts.

THERE IS NO BBC BIAS. Jesus wept man!

[Dr Gloom 21915]

Watch the report yourself if you don’t believe me.  
 

it was posted on the bbc live blog at 20:07

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67050350

 

[aimaad22 4156]

Its not about belief mate. This is a decades old problem right and I think its always important to think of this matter with that in mind and not only what's happened recently. If you think my opinion is based on that one BBC interview then let me clarify that it's not.

 

Wont drag the argument (international break or not) as you said you dont want to get into it which is 100% understandable. The media coverage thing irks me only because I think it's important in fuelling the feeling of injustice and hatred the likes of Hamas will use to push people over the edge. 

 

One of the interesting things I found about having lived/worked in a number of very different countries/cultures is having your pre-conceived notions challenged and discovering that you indeed grew up with baises. I suppose most do. I do try and make an effort in questioning if my own beliefs are biases. 

[Rayvin 5220]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

nah man, that’s just journalism 101 - you don’t use the same verb twice in quick succession 

 

They used "launch" twice in quick succession...

[Dr Gloom 21915]

1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

 

They used "launch" twice in quick succession...

did you watch the Jeremy Bowen report? 
 

does it suggest to you that there is pro-Israel bias in the BBC’s coverage of the conflict?

 

I think I’m going to have to bow out if this conversation if so. 

[Rayvin 5220]

15 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

did you watch the Jeremy Bowen report? 
 

does it suggest to you that there is pro-Israel bias in the BBC’s coverage of the conflict?

 

I think I’m going to have to bow out if this conversation if so. 

 

I didn't tbh, I replied as I was reading through earlier posts. I will do. I'm also just going to leave this for now anyway, it's not the time.

[Meenzer 15525]

At least we can all agree that this is the MSM at its very finest:

 

 

[Alex 35079]

12 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

I really can’t be arsed to get into this shite again. No offence 

 

The BBC does not have a pro-Israel bias. 

 

Kirsty has always been shite at her job.

 

Zomlot handles the interview with great dignity. 
 

Owen Jones is a sanctimonious corbynite.

 

Hope that clears things up 

Zomlot is spot on in what he says. And I agree with your other points. I think there’s probably bias in that interview but I also think that the BBC has tried its best to be impartial on this. 
I think aimaad makes a lot of good points too btw. 
To be honest I’ve refrained from getting involved in talking about it, because it’s so fucking depressing, not to mention so complex and ingrained that I can’t even think of anything remotely approaching a solution. What a tragic waste of life the last few days have been. It must be awful for you, having family members involved. I really hope they all stay safe and that this de-escalates soon. 

 

[Renton 21621]

16 minutes ago, Alex said:

Zomlot is spot on in what he says. And I agree with your other points. I think there’s probably bias in that interview but I also think that the BBC has tried its best to be impartial on this. 
I think aimaad makes a lot of good points too btw. 
To be honest I’ve refrained from getting involved in talking about it, because it’s so fucking depressing, not to mention so complex and ingrained that I can’t even think of anything remotely approaching a solution. What a tragic waste of life the last few days have been. It must be awful for you, having family members involved. I really hope they all stay safe and that this de-escalates soon. 

 

 

Feel exactly the same. What with this, Ukraine, and just the general decline of the UK and US (from a polltical perspective), it's depressing. Even before we consider the implications of climate change etc. 

[Dr Gloom 21915]

1 minute ago, Alex said:

Zomlot is spot on in what he says. And I agree with your other points. I think there’s probably bias in that interview but I also think that the BBC has tried its best to be impartial on this. 
I think aimaad makes a lot of good points too btw. 
To be honest I’ve refrained from getting involved in talking about it, because it’s so fucking depressing, not to mention so complex and ingrained that I can’t even think of anything remotely approaching a solution. What a tragic waste of life the last few days have been. It must be awful for you, having family members involved. I really hope they all stay safe and that this de-escalates soon. 

 

 

thanks man. i have debated whether or not to post more about this on here, i know it's a polarising subject. it's all i'm really thinking about at the moment, it kept me awake last night till about 4am. 

 

i had to take the twitter app off my phone because it's such a fucking cesspit, and i know i'm in the minority here when it comes to supporting israel's right to exist and to defend itself and am not really in the mood to get into a back and forth when my family are literally cowering in bomb shelters.

 

everyone on social media is an armchair pundit, unable to shift from their position despite the horror which is unfolding. you've got people defending hamas and tweeting "free palestine" in response to news that whole families have been slaughtered in their beds - HAVE A FUCKING DAY OFF!

but it really doesn't matter if you are pro-palestine or pro-israel as far as i'm concerned (some people are surprised when i say it is possible to be both). there are innocent human beings on both sides who are being butchered. but let's be absolutely fucking clear - hamas are not freedom fighters. they're a terrorists whose charter calls for the full destruction of the state of israel. how is taking kids from their parents as hostages - kidknapping a six month child ffs - fighting for freedom????

 

i'll caveat that by saying i'm sure israel will commit war crimes too as it razes gaza to the ground. this is also indefensible and i won't try to defend it.