spongebob toonpants 3997 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Why do I bother with PMQ's. Starmer is fucking hopeless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 37 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: Why do I bother with PMQ's. Starmer is fucking hopeless I don't understand why anyone watches PMQs. It's just theatre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42457 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 18 minutes ago, The Fish said: I don't understand why anyone watches PMQs. It's just theatre. More specifically, pantomime. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Well I'm a luvvie at heart and love the teatre and the Panto. Thinking about joining Dame training school actually. But I missed PMQ today. Was Starmer poor? Reading the Guardian he came up with: Quote The crisis in criminal justice is just a snapshot of public services collapsing under his watch. People can see it wherever they look. Our roads, our trains, the NHS, the asylum system, policing, mental health provision – the Tories have broken them all and all they have got left is excuses and blame. I think this is spot on, it resonates, and is the simple line he needs to take over the coming year. Economists also say people will feel at their most squeezed over the next 12 months. I think also with the collapse of the SNP Labpour will win a landslide. My criticism of Starmer is not using this opportunty to effect real change. Instead he's let his party go as low as the scum they're opposing (okay, maybe not that low), a race to the bottom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42457 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Renton said: Thinking about joining Dame training school actually. Courses are going cheap in Florida just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Labour now apparently targeting benefit fraud in their continued attempts to out-Tory the Tories. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/20/labour-warpath-targeting-benefit-claimants-disabled-starmer I mean what are we expecting here in the end, really? That Labour get into power and then flip into being some much improved version of what they're currently coming across as? I think they're going to come in and be exactly what is being suggested here - Tory lite. Is this how Blairism was packaged? Is this the third way? It looks small, cynical and devoid of vision. It fills me with even more hopelessness than the Tories do tbh - if this is the best that the party we all want to be in power can come up with, then what is honestly the point anymore? Brexit destroyed this country, it destroyed the left, and Labour has, in my view, totally failed us. I don't even hate Starmer or what the party has become, I just don't care anymore. It's a dull ache, it's normalised. This disappointment about the weakness of our leaders is just a shrug of the shoulders. "Nothing we can do, suck it up and get on with it". Completely defeated. Maybe it's just me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30616 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 If you look at what Jonathan Ashworth actually said he was attacking the Tory government because the DWP has paid out £8.5bn due to errors made and fraud and said that that money could have been used to make more cost of living payments to those on low incomes. It wasn’t demonising claimants but some won’t let get in the way of writing an angry article. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11280 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, ewerk said: If you look at what Jonathan Ashworth actually said he was attacking the Tory government because the DWP has paid out £8.5bn due to errors made and fraud and said that that money could have been used to make more cost of living payments to those on low incomes. It wasn’t demonising claimants but some won’t let get in the way of writing an angry article. TL:DR 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 40 minutes ago, ewerk said: If you look at what Jonathan Ashworth actually said he was attacking the Tory government because the DWP has paid out £8.5bn due to errors made and fraud and said that that money could have been used to make more cost of living payments to those on low incomes. It wasn’t demonising claimants but some won’t let get in the way of writing an angry article. It's bringing benefit fraud to the top of the list of targets, and very intentionally doing so. There are plenty of other targets they could have gone after, I am quite sure. As I said though, it's beyond me to care at this point. It is what it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42457 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: Completely defeated. Maybe it's just me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 51 minutes ago, ewerk said: If you look at what Jonathan Ashworth actually said he was attacking the Tory government because the DWP has paid out £8.5bn due to errors made and fraud and said that that money could have been used to make more cost of living payments to those on low incomes. It wasn’t demonising claimants but some won’t let get in the way of writing an angry article. 100% this. The Guardian is a fucking joke imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: I bet you the thought of close contact with a young Bush gives you a twinge, amirite, you dirty old man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44894 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Could be end of the road for Raab today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33231 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Renton said: I bet you the thought of close contact with a young Bush gives you a twinge, amirite, you dirty old man. Well then that's two of us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42457 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 47 minutes ago, Renton said: I bet you the thought of close contact with a young Bush gives you a twinge, amirite, you dirty old man. Did you just assume my Adam Johnson? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42457 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 47 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Could be end of the road for Raab today. Aye, for a week or so, until they give him a new job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17274 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Sounds like in the build up to the GE Labour want to stop the tories being able to chuck “POLITICS OF ENVY” around…in some ways a good idea, in other ways not making the rich pay their fuckin fair share of tax so we can have a properly funded and rewarded NHS for instance is frankly vomit inducing. But here we are… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17274 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, PaddockLad said: Sounds like in the build up to the GE Labour want to stop the tories being able to chuck “POLITICS OF ENVY” around…in some ways a good idea, in other ways not making the rich pay their fuckin fair share of tax so we can have a properly funded and rewarded NHS for instance is frankly vomit inducing. But here we are… On the other hand maybe Burgon didn't get the memo..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17274 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Raab gone resigned….as he said he said he would… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44894 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Good. He's a fucking incompetent plank anyway even without all the bullying shit. Now let's see the report. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30616 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 I did think this delay was all about Sunak putting pressure on his to walk rather than be sacked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: I did think this delay was all about Sunak putting pressure on his to walk rather than be sacked. Yeah, he's been pushed. He'll be back as a minister if not in the cabinet before the next GE anyway. That's how these lot operate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Just now, Renton said: Yeah, he's been pushed. He'll be back as a minister if not in the cabinet before the next GE anyway. That's how these lot operate. I would imagine that’s literally been promised in return for his resignation 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30616 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 23 hours ago, Rayvin said: Labour now apparently targeting benefit fraud in their continued attempts to out-Tory the Tories. You can never out-Tory the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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