Rayvin 5188 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Think I heard a Labour MP say in the commons yesterday that 70% of them were legit. Depends where they're coming from too tbh, that may also be a factor in the increase. I wouldn't even put it past the Tories to have manufactured it themselves in order to give them something to 'win' on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21428 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ewerk said: Yes but the arrival by small boats is a reasonably new, growing issue. It would be interesting to see how many of those arriving are genuine asylum seekers and how many are economic migrants. Of course they should be presumed genuine until proven otherwise. My query is why is this sort of crossing becoming so regular in comparison to pre-2018 times? Is it because the French aren't co-operating since Brexit? Is it just a new tactic that people smugglers have cottoned on to? Regardless, the asylum system as it stands is fucked. We are seeing a lot more claimants but the main reason is more than likely a failure of the Tories to invest in the system, as in pretty much every other area of government. Well clearly at the very least Brexit hasn't helped. Almost certainly made it worse in fact because of our deteriorating relationship with the French and our refusal to participate in Dublin 2 agreement. Also I think there has been a clamp down on people smuggling in lorries which has displaced them onto the open sea. As well as ongoing geopolitical problems in areas of Asia, Europe and Africa. But mainly it's Labour's fault alongside the lefty lawyers. Edited November 1, 2022 by Renton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9311 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ewerk said: Yes but the arrival by small boats is a reasonably new, growing issue. It would be interesting to see how many of those arriving are genuine asylum seekers and how many are economic migrants. Of course they should be presumed genuine until proven otherwise. My query is why is this sort of crossing becoming so regular in comparison to pre-2018 times? Is it because the French aren't co-operating since Brexit? Is it just a new tactic that people smugglers have cottoned on to? Regardless, the asylum system as it stands is fucked. We are seeing a lot more claimants but the main reason is more than likely a failure of the Tories to invest in the system, as in pretty much every other area of government. They are coming in boats because there is no other way, and the people smugglers exploiting the gap in that market, there is nothing for the French to co-operate with - There is no functioning screening process anywhere, even here - see backlog. Of those processed 80% are genuine refugees and granted asylum. Vast majority are from Syria and Afghanistan. Edited November 1, 2022 by Toonpack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Fish said: Read somewhere that France would accept a UK processing centre on their soil which would dramatically reduce the number of small boats risking the journey. Yeah but that would only encourage asylum seekers. This obviously has nothing to do with concerns about safety but keeping out those bloody forreners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Renton said: our refusal to participate in Dublin 2 agreement. Quite ironic that our leaving the EU and refusal to participate has led to us having more problems with asylum seekers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21428 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: Yeah but that would only encourage asylum seekers. This obviously has nothing to do with concerns about safety but keeping out those bloody forreners. Yep. Despite there being a huge labour shortage at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Renton said: Yep. Despite there being a huge labour shortage at the moment. Well that's another ridiculous element of it. We give these people next to fuck all money to live on but refuse to let them work when they are here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 I'm A Celebrity 2022: Matt Hancock 'becomes latest star to sign up for ITV show' - Mirror Online I bet this odious cunt makes Paul Burrell seem palatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Fucking hell. I didn't have Matt Hancock eating kangaroo balls on primetime TV on my 2022 bingo card. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 18 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: I honestly don’t understand why he hasn’t peddled Braverman. I get that brings the “support” of the ERG, but that’s not really helped the last half a dozen, or whatever it is, PM’s has it, and the ERG isn’t exactly bursting with political heavyweights is it? The only conclusion I can draw is he'd consider it an admission of a serious error of judgement and undermine his premiership and instead he'll try to ride the storm out. Futile IYAM though. She put national security at risk on no less than 6 occasions since early September and is taking zero responsibility for the absolute mess at Manston which appears to have escalated exponentially since she took control of the Home Office. It won't be long before she fucks up again. I find it deeply disturbing we have a fascist Home Secretary who is referring to migration as an invasion. What the fuck is her game plan? Make the facilities as inhumane as possible as a means of deterrent? It won't work, you absolute dumb bitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21428 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Think Rayvin can come out from behind the sofa now, doesn't look like Sunak has got much of a bounce and this is before Hunt delivers the austerity budget. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Politics is weird. We’ve gone from tax cuts all round to everyone having to get used to paying higher taxes in a matter of weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 27 minutes ago, Craig said: I'm A Celebrity 2022: Matt Hancock 'becomes latest star to sign up for ITV show' - Mirror Online I bet this odious cunt makes Paul Burrell seem palatable. They've kicked him out of the Parliamentary Party for signing up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gemmill 44554 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Right well I'm watching that. He'll be doing every fucking trial going if the public is voting for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Gemmill said: Right well I'm watching that. He'll be doing every fucking trial going if the public is voting for it. CT will be getting his 20,000 mobile phones on charge just to vote 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21428 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Didn't Dorries do it? Did she lose the whip? Have I imagined all this? Am I going to wake up at some point? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5188 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 35 minutes ago, Renton said: Think Rayvin can come out from behind the sofa now, doesn't look like Sunak has got much of a bounce and this is before Hunt delivers the austerity budget. Am actually feeling fairly positive on things atm. The Brexit Sea change, the Suella scandal and now Matt Hancock. The Tory party is an incompetent, hilarious mess even under Sunak. There genuinely were no capable Brexiteers it seems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, Renton said: Didn't Dorries do it? Did she lose the whip? Have I imagined all this? Am I going to wake up at some point? She did, and she lost the whip on the grounds she didn't inform the Chief Whip. She got it back a year later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Renton 21428 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Just now, Rayvin said: Am actually feeling fairly positive on things atm. The Brexit Sea change, the Suella scandal and now Matt Hancock. The Tory party is an incompetent, hilarious mess even under Sunak. There genuinely were no capable Brexiteers it seems. Positives and negatives for me. On the positive side, I can only see the conservatives dropping further in popularity, to face a possible existential GE for them in a couple of years. I'll be getting the popcorn out for that one (although not the beer for me, unfortunately). On the negative side, they will have fucked up the country so badly by this stage we'll have to live with the consequences for the rest of my life. Which may be short, if Putin uses nukes. Or longer if the World just burns in a climate change catastrophe instead, which will fuck up my kids' lives. Swings and roundabouts then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21428 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Craig said: She did, and she lost the whip on the grounds she didn't inform the Chief Whip. She got it back a year later. Ahh well, I'll give Hancock 4 days before he is reinstated then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Renton said: Ahh well, I'll give Hancock 4 days before he is reinstated then. I wonder if he's done them a favour in some respects. Sunak certainly blanked him at Conservative HQ - perhaps he views Hancock as a liability following his antics with his aide in the DoH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Renton 21428 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Craig said: She's right, they're not all refugees in distress. Iirc only 80% of them are according to government figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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