Holden McGroin 6587 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Apparently Jamie Oliver is part of the Anti-Growth Coalition - now that he is re-campaigning for free school dinners (and is also a critic of Truss-bot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: I think Kwasi Kwarteng is about to lose his job. No idea who she'll bring in cos she's alienated most of the party. If she could convince Javid or Sunak, but I think they'll want nowt to do with this. It certainly won't be Sunak as he's clearly at odds with her ideological approach to dealing with the economy. If Kwarteng goes I could easily see her giving the gig to a junior minister simply on the grounds he/she believes her bullshit rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Monkeys Fist said: Do they think another year or so of this will make their seats safer? It’s fucking mental tbh. It can hardly get worse for them though so they’ve got little to lose by hanging on in there. Current polling analysis in electoral calculus suggests there’s a 98% chance of Johnson losing his seat. They don’t even give a probability of a Tory majority as it’s less than 1%. They’re not in it for the good of the country so that’s not a consideration Edited October 11, 2022 by Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 25 minutes ago, Craig said: It certainly won't be Sunak as he's clearly at odds with her ideological approach to dealing with the economy. If Kwarteng goes I could easily see her giving the gig to a junior minister simply on the grounds he/she believes her bullshit rhetoric. She can't give it to a junior minister, the move needs to be a course corrector that inspires confidence from the markets. She just overruled him for Head of the Treasury cos he wanted to employ someone with no experience. So there's at least some recognition there that further shocks to the market are not OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9431 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 It's all in plain sight, the cunts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Gemmill said: She can't give it to a junior minister, the move needs to be a course corrector that inspires confidence from the markets. She just overruled him for Head of the Treasury cos he wanted to employ someone with no experience. So there's at least some recognition there that further shocks to the market are not OK. Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but I still can't dismiss the notion they're on a mission to fuck things up as much as they possibly can whilst they remain in government. How far will these cunts have to go before it'll trigger a no-confidence in the government motion? It's clear there's plenty in the parliamentary Tory party who thinks she's off her rocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9431 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, Craig said: Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but I still can't dismiss the notion they're on a mission to fuck things up as much as they possibly can whilst they remain in government. How far will these cunts have to go before it'll trigger a no-confidence in the government motion? It's clear there's plenty in the parliamentary Tory party who thinks she's off her rocker. There's money to be made in any firesale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 30 minutes ago, Craig said: Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but I still can't dismiss the notion they're on a mission to fuck things up as much as they possibly can whilst they remain in government. With the intention on blaming Labour next term you mean? I don't think that will work, they've fucked things up too early in plain sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Oh, do fuck off!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Just now, Renton said: With the intention on blaming Labour next term you mean? I don't think that will work, they've fucked things up too early in plain sight. I think they're all out of ideas on masking stuff. It's less about blaming Labour and more about not giving them a cat in hell's chance of making the situation more palatable within 1 term. I reckon the Tory rhetoric is to plan for a return to power in 2029. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Craig said: I think they're all out of ideas on masking stuff. It's less about blaming Labour and more about not giving them a cat in hell's chance of making the situation more palatable within 1 term. I reckon the Tory rhetoric is to plan for a return to power in 2029. Maybe but there is a tipping point where this just will not be feasible. If they go down to double figures in MPs (very possible imo) they'll not be able to come back from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Renton said: Maybe but there is a tipping point where this just will not be feasible. If they go down to double figures in MPs (very possible imo) they'll not be able to come back from that. Oh, and how I'd celebrate that. That said, the post 2016 Tory Party is far removed from what was there previously. It definitely feels like a massive shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Sounds like Therese Coffey's morning round went as well as expected. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Craig said: Oh, and how I'd celebrate that. That said, the post 2016 Tory Party is far removed from what was there previously. It definitely feels like a massive shift. They've completely abandoned the cenrtre ground and the notion of one nation conservatism. All the "decent" tories have been expelled. The centre ground is there for Labour to take, and as long as they don't mutate like the tories did, stay there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ewerk said: Sounds like Therese Coffey's morning round went as well as expected. This extreme liberatarianism she (Truss) is pushing is something else like. We're not the US, it won't work here. Edit: I've just let it sink in COffey is the health secretary. Can you imagine if we had had these nutters two years ago? They actually make Johnson look good. Edited October 11, 2022 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Seems more ineptitude than contempt in that particular instance 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Dicklips has been criticised by the IMF again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Renton said: They've completely abandoned the cenrtre ground and the notion of one nation conservatism. All the "decent" tories have been expelled. The centre ground is there for Labour to take, and as long as they don't mutate like the tories did, stay there. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Renton said: They've completely abandoned the cenrtre ground and the notion of one nation conservatism. All the "decent" tories have been expelled. The centre ground is there for Labour to take, and as long as they don't mutate like the tories did, stay there. Labour did that last time (gain centreground and stick) and still fell away from power in the end. They need to do everything you've outlined here plus PR. I know you're already on board with that but I keep coming back to how important that is to make sure this never happens again. The Tories can never be allowed unchecked power again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) Insane watching this arrogant cunt Kwarteng stood up in the Commons at the minute. You'd think we'd just hit 10% growth. The triumphalist delivery and complete absence of humility. Stick him on the hope he has a massive heart attack list. Edited October 11, 2022 by Gemmill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 He's an absolute lunatic. I know that word gets thrown around a lot when talking about the Tories, but he really is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 298 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Renton said: They've completely abandoned the cenrtre ground and the notion of one nation conservatism. All the "decent" tories have been expelled. The centre ground is there for Labour to take, and as long as they don't mutate like the tories did, stay there. I seriously hope they do mutate by the following election though, neoliberal centre isnt going to fix everything thats been bust. This country has been pushed to US ideology in the general population for almost a decade - there's so much division, and I dare say hate out there now. Everyone's judging everyone else (me included) by default like we've been conditioned to. To use a corny US term, its winning peoples "Hearts and minds" back to we are all one country, in it together - that's going to be so difficult cos the Tories were fucking excellent at making a mockery of "we are all in this together" by deliberately gaslighting using the term during May's / Camerons time. I never noticed this Tory trait until Boris came in, as he was so shit at it that everything was obvious - so 1 thing to thank him for. I really hope there's a long game, and that we can bring back some solidarity and team spirit to the country to reunite us, and then start collectively working on restoring public services. Most major cities, Newcastle in particular, absolutely STINK of piss on a weekend evening - there's not a single public toilet in the entire city centre anymore. We are giving away money in tax cuts to the tune of tens of billions, when it costs less than 0.7bn a year to fund our libraries, after a 60% cut over 10 years. I could go on... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Renton said: This extreme liberatarianism she (Truss) is pushing is something else like. We're not the US, it won't work here. Edit: I've just let it sink in COffey is the health secretary. Can you imagine if we had had these nutters two years ago? They actually make Johnson look good. Dangerous in different ways: Johnson’s policy making wasn’t anywhere near as dangerous. The problem was how mendacious he was - he pretty much normalised deceit in frontline politics. Ministers no longer need to resign for things that would previously end careers. He was as damaging to our democracy as Trump was in the US. The problem with this lot is the damage they’re doing to the economy Edited October 11, 2022 by Dr Gloom 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, scoobos said: I seriously hope they do mutate by the following election though, neoliberal centre isnt going to fix everything thats been bust. I just keep finding more and more that I agree with you on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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