Politics

[Rayvin 5223]

34 minutes ago, ewerk said:

So make no mistake, the cuts that are about to come and financial misery for many are absolutely a political choice rather than a financial necessity.

 

I would argue that this is always the case with the Tories. They try to make it sound like its just common sense necessity but in reality it's ideology.

[Gemmill 44900]

I think they might have to reverse course on some of the cuts and windfall taxes. They love a u turn. 

[Renton 21627]

Cameron promised to have cleared the national debt by 2015. He didn't, he doubled it. Alarm bells should have rung. But the media was more interested in Milibands ability to eat a bacon sandwich.

[Dr Gloom 21924]

Proper sliding doors moment that wasn’t it. Imagine where we’d be now if we’d opted for chaos with Ed 

[Renton 21627]

25 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Proper sliding doors moment that wasn’t it. Imagine where we’d be now if we’d opted for chaos with Ed 

 

I always go 1 step back and think the moment was when Ed stabbed David in the back. I'm sure David would have won enough to form a coalition. But even if he didn't he wouldn't have let the 3 quid momentum crew in to elect Corbyn. Without Corbyn, no Brexit. 

 

Thing is it took one hell of an odd string of events to get us where we are. But here we are anyway. 

[Toonpack 9431]

4 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

I always go 1 step back and think the moment was when Ed stabbed David in the back. I'm sure David would have won enough to form a coalition. But even if he didn't he wouldn't have let the 3 quid momentum crew in to elect Corbyn. Without Corbyn, no Brexit. 

 

Thing is it took one hell of an odd string of events to get us where we are. But here we are anyway. 

 

I wonder who was pulling all those strings. 

[Alex 35095]

Go back to Gordon Brown calling a bigot a bigot. Possibly enough to be the difference between a Labour/Liberal coalition instead of the Tories being the biggest party 

[Rayvin 5223]

4 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Without Corbyn, no Brexit. 

 

On the basis that only 65-70% of labour voters under Corbyn voted remain?

 

The heavily pro remain LDs only a couple of percentage points higher.

 

You hate Corbyn, I get it, but I'm afraid he's not responsible for everything you want him to be.

[Rayvin 5223]

5 minutes ago, Alex said:

Go back to Gordon Brown calling a bigot a bigot. Possibly enough to be the difference between a Labour/Liberal coalition instead of the Tories being the biggest party 

 

She was a bigot though, tbf to Brown.

[Renton 21627]

4 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

On the basis that only 65-70% of labour voters under Corbyn voted remain?

 

The heavily pro remain LDs only a couple of percentage points higher.

 

You hate Corbyn, I get it, but I'm afraid he's not responsible for everything you want him to be.

 

Brexit was won by a very fine margin. An effective Labour leader with universal appeal could easily have tipped that balance. And that's discounting the fact that we wouldn't have even had a referendum anyway imo. 

 

Alex is right though, go further back and the actual moment is a mic accidentally left on. Crazy when you think about it. 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Renton

[Alex 35095]

50 minutes ago, Renton said:

Cameron promised to have cleared the national debt by 2015. He didn't, he doubled it. Alarm bells should have rung. But the media was more interested in Milibands ability to eat a bacon sandwich.

More so their portrayal of him as being just to the right of Trotsky 

[Renton 21627]

I choose the Miliband bros sliding door though as that was an active choice driven by ego on behalf of Ed and a calamitous mistake from the unions.

[Monkeys Fist 42459]

11 minutes ago, Alex said:

Go back to Gordon Brown calling a bigot a bigot. Possibly enough to be the difference between a Labour/Liberal coalition instead of the Tories being the biggest party 

It’s insane that this was did for Brown, when you look at what’s gone in on the last few encumbent’s tenures. 
 

Especially since, as you rightly point out, he was being 100% honest. 

[Monkeys Fist 42459]

I wonder if we’d had that Lab/Lib Dem coalition, whether we’d now have PR in place? 
 

[Renton 21627]

Just now, Monkeys Fist said:

I wonder if we’d had that Lab/Lib Dem coalition, we’d now have PR in place? 
 

 

Very possibly. In an alternate Universe the UK is still a great place I reckon. 

[Monkeys Fist 42459]

Just now, Renton said:

 

Very possibly. In an alternate Universe the UK is still a great place I reckon. 

I blame Spiderman, the sticky-fingered twat. 

[Renton 21627]

Just now, Monkeys Fist said:

I blame Spiderman, the sticky-fingered twat. 

 

Let's just agree and blame Fish, the Pimm's drinking shit house twat.

[Monkeys Fist 42459]

@The Fish See what you’ve done! 
 

[The Fish 10857]

Fuck did I do? 

 

Multiversal shenanigans are not my wheelhouse, that was Hugh Everett or Dr Strange. I'm more your street level hero. Think Daredevil, The Punisher, or the man who puts your bins back on your drive out of the way of other pedestrians.

[Toonpack 9431]

7 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Fuck did I do? 

 

Multiversal shenanigans are not my wheelhouse, that was Hugh Everett or Dr Strange. I'm more your street level hero. Think Daredevil, The Punisher, or the man who puts your bins back on your drive out of the way of other pedestrians.

 

Wouldn't that make you Bin Laden

[The Fish 10857]

5 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Wouldn't that make you Bin Laden

Unbelievable, and on the 21 year 1 month anniversary of the attack as well. You people make me vomit.

[Rayvin 5223]

28 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Brexit was won by a very fine margin. An effective Labour leader with universal appeal could easily have tipped that balance. And that's discounting the fact that we wouldn't have even had a referendum anyway imo. 

 

Alex is right though, go further back and the actual moment is a mic accidentally left on. Crazy when you think about it. 

 

Why wouldn't we have had a referendum if Corbyn hadn't won? He came to leadership after Cameron won with the referendum as a manifesto pledge..

[Monkeys Fist 42459]

10 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Fuck did I do? 

 

Multiversal shenanigans are not my wheelhouse, that was Hugh Everett or Dr Strange. I'm more your street level hero. Think Daredevil, The Punisher, or the man who puts your bins back on your drive out of the way of other pedestrians.

Captain Verbose- He’ll drown you in paragraphs when a one-liner would do. 
 

[Rayvin 5223]

22 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

I wonder if we’d had that Lab/Lib Dem coalition, whether we’d now have PR in place? 
 

 

On that basis though, is this not also on Clegg?

 

It's not all about Labour, there's been a catastrophic failure of vision on the part of UK politicians for many years now. We very much never recovered from losing Blair, frankly.

[Renton 21627]

6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Why wouldn't we have had a referendum if Corbyn hadn't won? He came to leadership after Cameron won with the referendum as a manifesto pledge..

No, we wouldn't have had a referendum if David Miliband had won the leader of Labour. The scenario would have never happened. But if it did, I still believe Labour under Miliband would have had enough for Remain to win. Corbyn was an assest for Leave.