Politics

[PaddockLad 16997]

19 minutes ago, Renton said:

Yeah, I have the same concerns as scoobos, as we all probably do, but I must admit I'm finding this very enoyable. Probably a bit like the German people did when Hitler topped himself. Feels good, until you turn around and see the wasteland he's left behind. 

 

Which makes me think, what's everbody's sliding door moment? Cameron calling the referendum? The wrong Miliband knifing his borther in the back? The wrong Miliband not eating a sandwich correctly? The wrong Miliband changing the rules allowing Corbyn in? [btw I like Ed but he made some huge mistakes in retrospect]. Johnson ripping up the wrong speech letter?

 

For me it goes back further, to Brown leaving the mic on and saying "that bigoted woman". All went tits up from there onwards, accelerating faster and faster. 

Iraq war & in hindsight the wrong successor to Blair. Should’ve been Davey Milliband at that point maybe. Brown was hugely unpopular with the sort of swing voters in the south who loved Blair before he was crowned

[Renton 21126]

Hilarius watching this fat cunt flounder. Truly pathetic man. 

[Craig 6670]

Johnson's having a fucking mare!

[scoobos 297]

8 minutes ago, Craig said:

 

Brown's faux pas in the 2010 election didn't help, but I fear it was already on the slide before then. Many in the middle ground found Blair's position on Iraq unforgiveable, and then for him to resign mid-term probably didn't help matters. 

Yep, I agree on the Iraq war , I was a liberal voter at that time but really liked what Labour did for education, in particular - but I had to protest . 

Sad thing was, I actually saw the other side -

Please forgive any "horribleness here" I do have empathy and the victims of the disasters I name are all human and all worthy of greiving for ... BUT

America has a reputation for acting strong and then playing victim for "small scale" events.

Pearl Harbour was the only attack on US soil and it claimed 68 civilians and 2340 armed servicemen. It wasn't a good thing, lets put it that way - but it WASNT a full scale invasion and occupation and the US used it to justify a double Nuclear bomb - the double being to test 1 type of weapon's effect against another (apparently).

In North Vietnam, US forces were being out smarted and stuck in a circle of "take territoriy, lose territory , take territory back - record numbers of our dead vs their dead, make their dead higher" - they then used that loss of troops to justify carpet bombing other soveriegn states (Cambodia mainly) to "destroy the re-enforcements" - when The Viet cong were illegally invading Cambodia to use these routes. This is known to have killed thousands of Cambodian civilians.

 

Then we've all the Israel stuff and the US battle for the petrodollar going on - which arguably fuelled the terrorism that caused September 11th.

Once that had happened, and america was reeling - I think saying "no we need more evidence" , or "sorry the British public cant get behind this" would have irrepably damaged our relationship with the US, and given that our military are so intertwined ( all the aircraft carriers at the time were US owned and borrowed by us) , it could have been catastrophic. 

 

I stand by my anti Iraq war stance, but having read stuff years after, I can at least acknowledge the other "strategical" view has merit. But I just can't agree that its "OK" to kill loads of civilians in long range bombardment of capital cites, just because its "Far away" or they are all "rag heads" etc..

ok, daily rant done, and de-railed another thread !

 

[Craig 6670]

Oh here comes Blackford. This should be fun

[Renton 21126]

Blackford now on. More popcorn please.

 

 

 

[wykikitoon 19840]

The dead parrot  

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[Renton 21126]

Let's see what the tosser Javid has to say. Another Howe speech or damp squid [\CT].

[Craig 6670]

Housing minister now resigned. Falling like a house of cards.

[wykikitoon 19840]

Fuck me Stuart6 Andrew has resigned.  Was my ex local MP and an UTTER CUNT

[Craig 6670]

Just now, wykikitoon said:

Fuck me Stuart6 Andrew has resigned.  Was my ex local MP and an UTTER CUNT

 

And doesn't have a shred of integrity ©Kier Stamer

[trooper 940]

18 resignations & counting 

[Renton 21126]

Javid's speech was poorly delivered and a bit underwhelming, but still damaging. Water of a pigs back to Johnson though. But more of this please. 

 

 

[trooper 940]

Blackford reference

 

[wykikitoon 19840]

7 minutes ago, Craig said:

 

And doesn't have a shred of integrity ©Kier Stamer

A Labour MP headbutted him in the HoC bar once I think  

[wykikitoon 19840]

7 minutes ago, Renton said:

Javid's speech was poorly delivered and a bit underwhelming, but still damaging. Water of a pigs back to Johnson though. But more of this please. 

 

 

 My brothers local MP

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[Craig 6670]

23 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

A Labour MP headbutted him in the HoC bar once I think  

 

Sounds very Prescotty

[wykikitoon 19840]

He was in a Morrisons in my mates neck of the woods a few months back.  Had a stall or something set up so people could speak to him.  He asked a bloke how he was doing apparently, to which the bloke replied.  'Better until you spunk laden mouth opened, now fuck off'  

[Alex 34745]

I saw something on Twitter earlier which sounds plausible given Johnson’s previous form. If the 1922 Committee change the rules and there’s a vote of no confidence which he loses - he’ll do the following: instead of going he’ll call a general election and seek to deselect the MPs who voted against him. I’m not sure if he needs a vote in Parliament to do that. I know the fixed term Parliament act was superseded. In any case the opposition would vote for it so it wouldn’t require much support in his own party. 

[Renton 21126]

2 minutes ago, Alex said:

I saw something on Twitter earlier which sounds plausible given Johnson’s previous form. If the 1922 Committee change the rules and there’s a vote of no confidence which he loses - he’ll do the following: instead of going he’ll call a general election and seek to deselect the MPs who voted against him. I’m not sure if he needs a vote in Parliament to do that. I know the fixed term Parliament act was superseded. In any case the opposition would vote for it so it wouldn’t require much support in his own party. 

 

But wouldn't deselectionbe a matter for consitiuencies? Although I remember he was successful purging the party last time. 

[Dr Gloom 21768]

et tu michael? 

 

 

[ewerk 30176]

4 minutes ago, Alex said:

I saw something on Twitter earlier which sounds plausible given Johnson’s previous form. If the 1922 Committee change the rules and there’s a vote of no confidence which he loses - he’ll do the following: instead of going he’ll call a general election and seek to deselect the MPs who voted against him. I’m not sure if he needs a vote in Parliament to do that. I know the fixed term Parliament act was superseded. In any case the opposition would vote for it so it wouldn’t require much support in his own party. 

I think the power to call a GE lies entirely with the PM as things stand. If he were to go down this route I don't think he'd even wait for a VONC, he'd pre-empt it with a GE announcement.

 

However, I don't think he can de-select candidates personally, that would be decided by CCHQ. It really would be the nuclear option for him to do so but would lead to general hilarity.