Renton 21627 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Meenzer said: Both In the same way Rwand is both a utopia for refugees and a deterrent for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, Renton said: This is all they've got now like. Instead of governing, they are in a constant state of electoneering with nothing but wedge issues they've invented to campaign on. Currently the rail strike, Rwanda, and NI protocol. I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard people say all politicians are the same or it doesn't matter who is in charge. It clearly does. This malignancy at the heart of government is destroying this country. Let's hope Gemmill is right and Johnson's time is nearly up. These situations that they're creating for themselves are ludicrous. They're getting themselves into unwinnable arguments as some sort of distraction tool, but you can't distract people from the fact that they can't feed their kids, or that their energy bills have trebled in the space of a year. This kind of shit might work when everything else is otherwise OK, but when people can't pay their electric bill, they don't give a fuck about who stopped a plane with a bunch of other poor people on it from going to Rwanda. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Just now, Gemmill said: These situations that they're creating for themselves are ludicrous. They're getting themselves into unwinnable arguments as some sort of distraction tool, but you can't distract people from the fact that they can't feed their kids, or that their energy bills have trebled in the space of a year. This kind of shit might work when everything else is otherwise OK, but when people can't pay their electric bill, they don't give a fuck about who stopped a plane with a bunch of other poor people on it from going to Rwanda. Fully agree, been saying for months it's not Pert Gate that will bring them down but cost of living. But the latter fucks us all unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Labour really need to work on their comms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 It’s difficult when everything Labour comes out with is seen through the prism of a largely right-wing press. It’s disappointing but I can see why they often choose to say nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 So desperate not to fall into a tory trap they still are. Having said that I felt getting Johnson huffing and puffing about Labour being on the union's side on the rail strike came across as completely desperate from him, he was so transparent. Maybe it is best not to say anything, just let the tories beach themselves. I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 298 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 44 minutes ago, Gemmill said: These situations that they're creating for themselves are ludicrous. They're getting themselves into unwinnable arguments as some sort of distraction tool, but you can't distract people from the fact that they can't feed their kids, or that their energy bills have trebled in the space of a year. This kind of shit might work when everything else is otherwise OK, but when people can't pay their electric bill, they don't give a fuck about who stopped a plane with a bunch of other poor people on it from going to Rwanda. Don't worry, they will find a way to blame it on : Johnny Foreigner The EU Terrorists (they've not used this for AGES now) Lefties Enemies of Democracy (this is the new one, imo. Hearing it a lot , its the new "Move on") The ECHR is apparently one now, for trying to force Pritti away from serving her electorate. Communists Tony Blair Leyland Seriously though, I fear they are going to use the RMT strike in a horrible way .... Yesterday , someone died at a tube station (suicide), which are notably less manned than a decade ago - today we've tories saying that Trains will be automated soon, so the workers better think themselves lucky ... Meanwhile, Pritti "can't put a price on a human life". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 298 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, ewerk said: Labour really need to work on their comms. Or maybe not follow the Tory lead of hiring spokespeople. Jesus, if you cant do "Public speaking" then you really shouldn't go for leader of a party - in a country who's electoral system has been eroded to an effective personality contest ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9780 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) Oh…… Edited June 15, 2022 by PaddockLad 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Oh… https://news.sky.com/story/prime-ministers-ethics-adviser-lord-geidt-resigns-12634638 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Geidt resigns. Another nail in the coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Mind if this spineless stooge had gone before the confidence vote, that might have been enough to tip it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 36 minutes ago, Isegrim said: I think this is worse than Brexit tbh. Trust this disingenuous fuckin arsehole to be all for it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 7 hours ago, Renton said: This is all they've got now like. Instead of governing, they are in a constant state of electoneering with nothing but wedge issues they've invented to campaign on. Currently the rail strike, Rwanda, and NI protocol. I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard people say all politicians are the same or it doesn't matter who is in charge. It clearly does. This malignancy at the heart of government is destroying this country. Let's hope Gemmill is right and Johnson's time is nearly up. On cue, it's Labour's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Aye good luck with that. Just further evidence that they're completely out of ideas. "Sir, it was HIM sir! It was the other boy!". Absolutely pathetic. The prolonged death throes of a government and possibly a party if they can't get past the cult of Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33246 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9432 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Yank but - See also “red wall” and “Boris is great” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 16 hours ago, Renton said: So desperate not to fall into a tory trap they still are. Having said that I felt getting Johnson huffing and puffing about Labour being on the union's side on the rail strike came across as completely desperate from him, he was so transparent. Maybe it is best not to say anything, just let the tories beach themselves. I don't know. it's a tough one. you have to win votes from the racists to get back into power. but do we really want that kind of racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 As I've said before the problem is once you win that power you have to think about retaining it which means keeping the racists/bigots happy. I know it's a simplistic statement but we'd be better off trying to change their minds rather than accepting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 At what time today do you think they relent and publish Geidt's resignation letter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 47 minutes ago, Gemmill said: At what time today do you think they relent and publish Geidt's resignation letter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 I tell you what, this Gemmill lad knows his onions doesn't he. What a bloke. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15540 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 More of this "telling right-wing blowhards that they're liars when they're lying" business, please 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42459 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 The little smile when he knows he’s got him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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