Politics

[Craig 6682]

10 minutes ago, Renton said:

In the meantime, BoE have basically said today we are just going to have to get used to a lower standard of living. The implication I'm reading is this is expected to be a permanent adjustment. Huw Pill, the BoE's chief economist today said:

 

 

 

And of course none of this is ANYTHING to do with Brexit. 

[Dr Gloom 21924]

2 minutes ago, Craig said:

 

And of course none of this is ANYTHING to do with Brexit. 

 

massive coincidence. there are brexit dividends a plenty incoming 

[Alex 35095]

Lots of councils still to declare their results but ‘most political pundits’ are making the same assessment as the PM about the results  

[Renton 21627]

5 minutes ago, Craig said:

 

And of course none of this is ANYTHING to do with Brexit. 

 

Don't mention the B word. 

 

Funny enough, economists were pretty much unanimous that Brexit would damage our GDP to the tune of 5% GDP as a minimum due to non-tariff trading barriers with our main trading partners and reduction of the employment pool. And this is demonstrably happening now but nobody is allowed to discuss it on the BBC. 5% GDP, more than half the expenditure on the NHS, right there. It was bad enough when we could "afford it", it's catastrophic now,  

[Dr Gloom 21924]

3 minutes ago, Alex said:

Lots of councils still to declare their results but ‘most political pundits’ are making the same assessment as the PM about the results  

 

there is a consensus forming based on the results that we have. it was a bad night for the tories, a good night for labour. but not as good as labour voters hoped or expected. there is nothing conspiratorial about that assessment as far as i can tell. 

[Alex 35095]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

 

there is a consensus forming based on the results that we have. it was a bad night for the tories, a good night for labour. but not as good as labour voters hoped or expected. there is nothing conspiratorial about that assessment as far as i can tell. 

You would say that 

[Renton 21627]

3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

there is a consensus forming based on the results that we have. it was a bad night for the tories, a good night for labour. but not as good as labour voters hoped or expected. there is nothing conspiratorial about that assessment as far as i can tell. 

 

Oh ffs. Nobody expected the tories to lose by 800 seats, the only one's peddling this line were the tories themselves so they could claim some kind of victory that they didn't do as bad as "expected". Falling for it hook, line, and sinker. 

[Dr Gloom 21924]

2 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Oh ffs. Nobody expected the tories to lose by 800 seats, the only one's peddling this line were the tories themselves so they could claim some kind of victory that they didn't do as bad as "expected". Falling for it hook, line, and sinker. 

 

labour would have hoped to have performed better in the red wall, don't you think? 

[wykikitoon 20165]

32 minutes ago, Renton said:

In the meantime, BoE have basically said today we are just going to have to get used to a lower standard of living. The implication I'm reading is this is expected to be a permanent adjustment. Huw Pill, the BoE's chief economist today said:

 

 

There was some conspiracy about in Covid this was the agenda.  Wipe out the middle class.

[Craig 6682]

[Renton 21627]

2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

labour would have hoped to have performed better in the red wall, don't you think? 

 

Not really. It was last contested when Labour was under a relative high from Corbyn after Theresa May's disastrous GE. The tories won what, two individual council seats in Hartlepool where the people are famously as thick as whale spunk? The map looks quite healthy to me.

 

 

[Alex 35095]

7 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

labour would have hoped to have performed better in the red wall, don't you think? 

I think you probably would’ve hoped for that. Hope and expectation aren’t the same thing though. Obviously I am pulling your leg a bit too. I do think there’s an element of underplaying how poorly the Tories have performed though too. Was there any indication beforehand that Westminster (fucking WESTMINSTER) would go to Labour? For example 

[Craig 6682]

Yeah for both Wandsworth and Westminster to go to Labour is massive. It's being seriously underplayed.

[Alex 35095]

Also some of the swing areas in the Midlands (pick a side, you beige cunts) which often help decide general elections are, if I’ve interpreted this correctly, now being defined as part of the red wall. And historically, Labour have never really been a force in places like Cumbria. 

[Craig 6682]

1 minute ago, Alex said:

Also some of the swing areas in the Midlands (pick a side, you beige cunts) which often help decide general elections are, if I’ve interpreted this correctly, now being defined as part of the red wall. And historically, Labour have never really been a force in places like Cumbria. 

I think historically the only Labour prescence in Cumbria was Copeland with Jack Cunningham. The remainder is usually Tory / Liberal.

[spongebob toonpants 3997]

20 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

labour would have hoped to have performed better in the red wall, don't you think? 

Labour performed as well as when all the Red Wall seats were Labour, so I'm not sure how much better you would expect than that

[Craig 6682]

Yeah I'm not sure what your expectation was here Gloom, but it was never going to be a Tory annihilation. There's far too many idiots who still believe in them, sadly. 

[Rayvin 5223]

It's not going to be an annihilation in the GE either. This has to be fought as if our side are the underdogs, or we're going to lose it IMO.

[Dr Gloom 21924]

14 minutes ago, Alex said:

I think you probably would’ve hoped for that. Hope and expectation aren’t the same thing though. Obviously I am pulling your leg a bit too. I do think there’s an element of underplaying how poorly the Tories have performed though too. Was there any indication beforehand that Westminster (fucking WESTMINSTER) would go to Labour? For example 

London is the huge part of the story. Losing Westminster and Wandsworth is massive. But London isn’t England. I think outside the capital it’s been marginal gains for Labour. I wouldn’t say underwhelming or anything. Not a bad night by any means but I expected (hoped) for better given the dire performance of the government. Probably just underscores that there is work to do still to win back the former Labour-voting social conservatives. 
 

 

[Renton 21627]

5 minutes ago, Craig said:

Yeah I'm not sure what your expectation was here Gloom, but it was never going to be a Tory annihilation. There's far too many idiots who still believe in them, sadly. 

 

In truth the tories didn't have that many seats up for play to lose. It's as simple as that. Also turn out was pathetic. That might be a concern for Labour admittedly, we need anger, not apathy. 

[Dr Gloom 21924]

Tldr: I hoped Labour might win a majority at the next GE but suspect we might have to settle for a hung parliament and a Labour-led coalition. 

Edited May 6, 2022 by Dr Gloom

[Rayvin 5223]

I don't think Labour are capable of a majority anymore, Brexit has irreparably broken them. Coalition and then electoral reform are the only ways forward now. You simply aren't going to get Remainers and Leavers sitting under one party banner while hating each others guts. And frankly, that's probably for the best.

[Craig 6682]

21 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

In truth the tories didn't have that many seats up for play to lose. It's as simple as that. Also turn out was pathetic. That might be a concern for Labour admittedly, we need anger, not apathy. 

You're not kidding about the turn out - 31.4% in my ward which the Tories sadly walked. Thankfully the remainder of the council seems to be less clinging to those cunts.

[Renton 21627]

No, I don't think Labour can win now without Scotland (although notably they would have under Blair). And electoral reform looks like a distant dream. Sadly, I think we're fairly fucked relying on confidence and supply coalitions at best. Shit state of affairs.  

[Renton 21627]

But with all this obsession with the red wall, is anybody taking notice of the blue wall?