ewerk 30409 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 I'm guessing it's partially a result of partygate fading in people's minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Unsurprisingly there has been some "success" with the Savile thing from what I've read - "but he was in charge" seems to be a common view from some. As I keep saying "we're not like them" will only work short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21455 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, ewerk said: I'm guessing it's partially a result of partygate fading in people's minds. This is why. Tory strategy of kicking the can down the road until people forget is working. Ultimately it won't though as the levels of corruption and incompetence in our government means the next disaster is just round the corner. ANd you never know, something may still come out of the Met report/Cummings. I do find people's personal dislike for Starmer puzzling mind. I don't know what he can do more to shift perceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5189 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Renton said: This is why. Tory strategy of kicking the can down the road until people forget is working. Ultimately it won't though as the levels of corruption and incompetence in our government means the next disaster is just round the corner. ANd you never know, something may still come out of the Met report/Cummings. I do find people's personal dislike for Starmer puzzling mind. I don't know what he can do more to shift perceptions. Where are you seeing that he is disliked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17171 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, Renton said: This is why. Tory strategy of kicking the can down the road until people forget is working. Ultimately it won't though as the levels of corruption and incompetence in our government means the next disaster is just round the corner. ANd you never know, something may still come out of the Met report/Cummings. I do find people's personal dislike for Starmer puzzling mind. I don't know what he can do more to shift perceptions. If he gets a PCN it's literal proof that he's lied to Parliament. It's up to his fellow twats then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21455 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 minute ago, PaddockLad said: It's up to his fellow twats then Yeah, exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21455 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Where are you seeing that he is disliked? Good point. Anecdotally mainly, vox pops. But then I remember he comfortably beat Johnson in every category other than "charisma" in a recent poll. Cost of diesel and petrol is shooting up now and this will have a knock on effect on virtually everything else, making inflation even worse. People are beginning to really struggle. Huge numbers of pensioners on NHS waiting lists which will not get better. Ultimately, Johnson is fucked by this anyway. I'm just losing patience I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21455 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Farage conflating NATO with the EU and proving himself to be a Russian stooge. There's a word for him, and that word ironically enough is traitor. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17171 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/lavrov-russia-diplomacy-ukraine/622075/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3961 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/lavrov-russia-diplomacy-ukraine/622075/ Nice article, but Quote Their intentions are different from ours too. Putin’s goal is not a flourishing, peaceful, prosperous Russia, but a Russia where he remains in charge. Lavrov’s goal is to maintain his position in the murky world of the Russian elite and, of course, to keep his money. Doesn't seem that much different to Johnson to me 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17171 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: Nice article, but Doesn't seem that much different to Johnson to me Well the article alludes to what you're suggesting and to what's been happening in London and the US over the last 30 years...Plutocrats clean their bent money in the City of London and to a lesser extent Wall Street...the whole Trump/Brexit/culture war is Russia's attempt to get their men elected to the top office in stable democracies to keep things that way . The EU wanted to stop it, Farage & Aaron Banks saw their chance to exploit what was still a 40 year argument on the tory back benches. The policy has worked beautifully, the world is in a huge amount of trouble.. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2958 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44569 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/feb/17/boris-johnson-labour-keir-starmer-tories-covid-coronavirus-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-620e0bc08f086f7273b86ba5#block-620e0bc08f086f7273b86ba5 Hope that takes you to the right post. Lab-Lib non-aggression pact in place. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44569 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 It absolutely does not take you to the right post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ewerk 30409 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5189 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Why informal? I mean it's good news though, and absolutely fundamental for us to succeed here. Perhaps it's a bit too confident to go out there and proclaim an alliance this early on, testing the water I guess. I hope it firms up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 It's fucking depressing that, however shambolic the Tories are, it'll need something like this to topple them. Agree though, I hope it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 It makes sense but if Labour fall short I still wouldn't trust the liberals not to go into coalition with the tories again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30409 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Why informal? I mean it's good news though, and absolutely fundamental for us to succeed here. Perhaps it's a bit too confident to go out there and proclaim an alliance this early on, testing the water I guess. I hope it firms up. There would be accusations of a stitch up. Best to make it 'informal' while secretly briefing that they're doing so the voters get the gist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30409 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, NJS said: It makes sense but if Labour fall short I still wouldn't trust the liberals not to go into coalition with the tories again. I don't think that even they would be stupid enough to make the same humungous mistake again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21455 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 We are fucking desperate for PR in this country, I hope a Lab-Lib coalition can facilitate it. The arguments against it are about as fucking logical as the arguments supporting Brexit. If you believe in democracy, you simply have to believe in PR, end of. Get the fucker changed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15467 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Frame the pro-PR campaign as "Take back control of your vote". Sorted. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 57 minutes ago, ewerk said: I don't think that even they would be stupid enough to make the same humungous mistake again. Oh I think you totally underestimate the desire of the smaller political parties to get some degree of their feet inside the doors of Number 10. If it came to it, they'd go into coalition again at the drop of a hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44569 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Nah they wouldn't like. It nearly finished the Lib Dems off last time, and that was with a way less toxic version of the Tories. How could they trust anything this lot promised them? There's zero chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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