Renton 21450 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Alex said: What was a realistic end game here though? I guess the only real alternative was staying indefinitely. I’m not suggesting this has been done well in any way, shape or form but it does seem to me almost anything would’ve been delaying the inevitable. The repatriation talk is pretty pathetic though. How are you supposed to these people out now? As we all knew at the time, there never was one. Bush just needed to do something, anything, in response to 9/11 for domestic reasons. I guess eliminating Bin Laden was an achievable outcome. Pity the bounty on his head amounted to trillions of dollars spent, thousands of lives lost, a failed state, and ultimately even more problems down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32893 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 I never really understood the reason why we went into Iraq, the (WMD) time, just like I never understood the reason to go into Afghanistan. Surely history would've told you going into Afghanistan would've been 'problematic'. Britain, France, in the past but now just the yanks, Israel and us just seem to enjoy kicking wasps nests repeatedly and doubling down when they get the odd wasp sting. (It probably doesn't help I've recently read the depressing and horrifying 'The Great War for Civilisation: The Conquest of the Middle East' by Robert Fisk). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30409 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 27 minutes ago, Alex said: What was a realistic end game here though? I guess the only real alternative was staying indefinitely. Why not? They've been in South Korea for over 60 years to deter the North. Similarly they could have stayed in Afghanistan with even fewer numbers to prevent the advance of the Taliban. Biden didn't order the troops in to begin with but as President of the USA it was his responsibility to ensure that all progress made wasn't going to be lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32893 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 32 minutes ago, ewerk said: Why not? They've been in South Korea for over 60 years to deter the North. Similarly they could have stayed in Afghanistan with even fewer numbers to prevent the advance of the Taliban. Biden didn't order the troops in to begin with but as President of the USA it was his responsibility to ensure that all progress made wasn't going to be lost. "You certainly wouldn't be advising the use of an occupying force from a different country now, Ewerk, would you?" 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7012 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Bunch of malnourished, dispraxic gonks. It's like Four Lions in real life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44561 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Rubber dinghy rapids, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32893 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) I just don't know where to start with this...... Then...... I mean, what the actual fuck? Edited August 17, 2021 by Howmanheyman 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44561 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Is Wraith planning a midnight special ops raid? What a film this would make. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32893 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 He didn't have them booked in for ladies night, did he? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Is Wraith planning a midnight special ops raid? What a film this would make. Him, Tommy Robinson and William Storey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Renton 21450 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Now I work from home a fair bit (I'm on a 2/3 split with the office), I get to listen to the radio a bit more. Thought Starmer was really impressive at Parliament just now, utterly destroyed Johnson. Still, we live through the media prism and people don't want "boring" competence any more, they want flamboyant popularism. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17165 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr Gloom 21868 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 a powerful speech. no orators like this on the tory front benches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21450 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Genuinely think this might be the beginning of the end for de Pfeffel. People are beginning to see through the act: He's lost the confidence of farmers, fisherman, and manufacturers. Signs that the blue wall is crumbling and he can't keep his promises to the red wall (HS2 going). Now the armed forces. Can't keep banging on about the vaccination programme as Europe has caught up and in many cases overtaken us, with generally better health outcomes. Issues with Brexit (supply chain and many other sectors) becoming obvious. Running out of chicken and beer. DUP and NI problem is insoluble and he can't extract himself from it. Corruption/cronyism scandals everywhere. Internationally we are a fucking mess, an absolute joke. May pointed out how vacuous "global Britain" was yesterday. He's skint and needs to make some real money. I could go on but he is incompetent and surrounded himself with incompetent yes men, the charade is breaking, the growing feeling of resentment is palpable. The fat cunt is wearing no clothes. Of course, the people who will decide his fate are his own party. Which is why I think after yesterday he is rather fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30409 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 The worrying thing is who comes next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 They’ll stick with him as long as it looks like he can win elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5189 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 I reckon he'll see out the term. There's no threat coming from anywhere else no matter how good an occasional speech might be. We're midway through the Tory era, they're safe as houses IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21450 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Sportsman's bet he doesn’t. Things are turning to shit and there's no pandemic to use as an excuse now. We've got the army driving ambulances in Newcastle now ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Actionmandemic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44561 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 This is awful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 43 minutes ago, Gemmill said: This is awful. If they'd been told they were eligible then the story wouldn't be in the papers. Now there'll be some sort of government intervention showing us how humane tories are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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