Kevin Carr's Gloves 3900 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 My in laws went before lockdown and thought it was boring as fuck, and they’re in their 70s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3900 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Renton said: I booked my summer holidays in Jersey last week after deciding Italy was too risky. Am I going to die in a war? At least you won’t have to eat any of that shite Italian food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Time to dust Trident down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21638 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Was just hoping for some decent weather without leaving the UK tbh (okay technically isn't UK but not a nasty covid infested foreign place). My uncle worked for BA and could get free flights to anywhere in the world for his holidays. He went to the same hotel in Jersey for over 30 consecutive years, same room as well apparently. He was pretty boring tbf. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44956 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Did anyone ever check your uncle's hard drive? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42460 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 7 hours ago, Renton said: I booked my summer holidays in Jersey last week after deciding Italy was too risky. Am I going to die in a war? Bring Deano with you- he’ll be able to talk potatoes with the natives and get you the local gossip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7034 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Bad start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17285 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Labour conceded Hartlepool hours ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21954 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 RIP Labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3900 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 12 hours ago, Renton said: Was just hoping for some decent weather without leaving the UK tbh (okay technically isn't UK but not a nasty covid infested foreign place). My uncle worked for BA and could get free flights to anywhere in the world for his holidays. He went to the same hotel in Jersey for over 30 consecutive years, same room as well apparently. He was pretty boring tbf. Was it a youth hostel called Haut de la Garenne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 I guess the silver lining there is it might provide Labour with some food for thought about their current approach. Hartlepool is exactly the sort of place their pro-Brexit, flag waving nonsense should have appealed to. Ship has sailed IMO, should stick to what their membership believes in, not what worked 25 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30642 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 It's quite a day when I find myself agreeing with anything Richard Burgon has to say but he's not wrong here. The first thing Starmer needs to do is unite the Labour party. Not by taking on the Corbyn manifesto wholesale but by cherrypicking the bits that the public liked and putting them to the electorate in a sensible way. Yesterday's elections don't yet appear to be disastrous but they're obviously not good. When the Tory government has spent the past year supporting livelihoods up and down the country and are riding the crest of a successful vaccine rollout then they have an inbuilt advantage but Labour have to seriously look at how they're appealing to ordinary voters and getting their message across. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10863 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 17 hours ago, Alex said: Fishing pretty much sums Brexit up. We attached a ridiculous amount of significance to it, overriding far more important industries, only to capitulate over it anyway "At present fishing contributes around £1.4 billion to the economy" "The value of the entertainment and media market in the United Kingdom (UK) has been increasing since 2013, reaching over 62.8 billion British pounds in 2017. By 2023, the UK's entertainment and media market worth is projected to reach 80.5 billion British pounds" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35097 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 16 hours ago, Howmanheyman said: And Bergerac. Ooh, I wonder if this episode will involve Bergerac having a romantic liaison with a posh bird before helping Charlie Hungerford get out of bother over some shady deal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21638 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 32 minutes ago, ewerk said: It's quite a day when I find myself agreeing with anything Richard Burgon has to say but he's not wrong here. The first thing Starmer needs to do is unite the Labour party. Not by taking on the Corbyn manifesto wholesale but by cherrypicking the bits that the public liked and putting them to the electorate in a sensible way. Yesterday's elections don't yet appear to be disastrous but they're obviously not good. When the Tory government has spent the past year supporting livelihoods up and down the country and are riding the crest of a successful vaccine rollout then they have an inbuilt advantage but Labour have to seriously look at how they're appealing to ordinary voters and getting their message across. I think your underplaying the severity of Labour's predicament. It feels like the party and their supporter base are irreconcilably split to me. It's really hard to see how they can form a modal majority by trying to bring together the disparate groups, because they are dametrically opposed - you give to one and you take from the other. I kind of agree with Rayvin and they should abandon the red wall and target the so called metropolitan elite who will increase whilst shire tories and old Labour will naturally die out. But really the biggest problem is the FPTP electoral system. Whilst were stuck with this we are stuck with the tories for at least a decade. Labour need to embrace the PR cause and set up cross-party strategic voting to get in maybe? And then follow through. I can't see it happening like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30642 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Renton said: I think your underplaying the severity of Labour's predicament. It feels like the party and their supporter base are irreconcilably split to me. It's really hard to see how they can form a modal majority by trying to bring together the disparate groups, because they are dametrically opposed - you give to one and you take from the other. I kind of agree with Rayvin and they should abandon the red wall and target the so called metropolitan elite who will increase whilst shire tories and old Labour will naturally die out. But really the biggest problem is the FPTP electoral system. Whilst were stuck with this we are stuck with the tories for at least a decade. Labour need to embrace the PR cause and set up cross-party strategic voting to get in maybe? And then follow through. I can't see it happening like. What did I tell you yesterday? Positive vibes only please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Renton said: I think your underplaying the severity of Labour's predicament. It feels like the party and their supporter base are irreconcilably split to me. It's really hard to see how they can form a modal majority by trying to bring together the disparate groups, because they are dametrically opposed - you give to one and you take from the other. I kind of agree with Rayvin and they should abandon the red wall and target the so called metropolitan elite who will increase whilst shire tories and old Labour will naturally die out. But really the biggest problem is the FPTP electoral system. Whilst were stuck with this we are stuck with the tories for at least a decade. Labour need to embrace the PR cause and set up cross-party strategic voting to get in maybe? And then follow through. I can't see it happening like. This is absolutely how I see it with the slender caveat that this is just one byelection, quite soon after the events of the last election in the overall scheme of things, and against the backdrop of the vaccine rollout. It's not what I would consider to be a totally fair test, in the same way that I didn't think the Brexit era was a particularly fair test for the Corbyn program. Labour won't get back into power without the red wall either, IMO. Not without some kind of wide ranging and serious electoral pact with a focus on PR, that again, they would need to rope Farage into. Wait for some kind of crisis with the Tories, use it as an excuse to band together across the spectrum, bring in PR. That has to be the sole focus for Labour now, they have no other options left, the above caveat notwithstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13884 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Moved to a new area recently and cast my vote for Labour. They kept the seat but my councillor is a right fugly one. Come on, Starmer. Let’s get some tidy boilers in the mix and retake Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21638 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Thought this was interesting. The extent of Labour's fall in the North. Only metropolitan areas have survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30642 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Voters in Hartlepool now think the Tories are more socialist than Labour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15552 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 If people honestly believe they're voting for change by voting for the party that's been in power for the last ten years, what can you do, really? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30642 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Not to oversimplify things but maybe you're just a country of cunts? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 God I hate us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21638 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Aren't you still in Scotland? Make space for another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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