Politics

[Tom 14011]

O’Brien getting pelters for this but...he’s right.

[ewerk 30642]

These will be the same people who complained that other Labour members and MPs weren't getting behind Corbyn when he had a -60 favourability rating with the public.

[Tom 14011]

It’s absolutely brainless and he’s right to mock it. Socialism is a dirty word for a lot of people in the UK & five years of Corbyn made that worse not better. 

For people to be chirping up now about Starmer ruining the Labour Party after the way it was left in 2019 is very rich indeed. 

Also you see “SOCIALISTS” on twitter who spend their every waking moment slagging off Starmer and then also slag him because the polls are bad and never identify the correlation between the two.

[Rayvin 5223]

A lot of it is completely irrational, that's the problem. They're trying to stick the knife in because that's what they perceive happened to Corbyn. Many of the arguments they're throwing at Starmer qualify as fake news IMO.

 

There's actually now a reasonable body of work that you can fairly criticise Starmer on, but the stuff they're going for is basically conspiracy theory twaddle.

[Rayvin 5223]

1 hour ago, Meenzer said:

I'm sorry if his mental health is suffering but he was happy enough to dunk on other people's mental health when it suited him, so hey.

 

Grimes was a Lib Dem originally if I recall correctly? Then he jumped ship when he saw profit in the opportunity to spread false right wing talking points.

 

He's reaping what he sowed on that front so it's tough to feel sorry for him. He's not some hapless, ignorant commentator who is the product of a right wing upbringing and a general lack of political education - he's someone who should know better, who indeed does know better, and who chooses profit from ignoring those things.

[ewerk 30642]

1 hour ago, Monkeys Fist said:

It’d be awful if he was out of work and had to sign on. 
 

Fucking benefit scrounger…

He got sacked from IEA, if even Tufton Street have turned their back on him then he's in trouble.

[Dr Gloom 21954]

2 hours ago, Tom said:

O’Brien getting pelters for this but...he’s right.

He’s spot on but he handed it quite petulantly. He could have made the caller sound even more ridiculous if he’d kept his cool 

[Dr Gloom 21954]

The idea that the speech would be delivered better by world class election loser Jeremy Corbyn is hilarious. He should have just let put that thought back to him 

[Dr Gloom 21954]

Oh, and get your tiny violins out for Grimes  

[Alex 35097]

Corbyn was sincere about Brexit like, if sincerity matters that much. 

[Tom 14011]

27 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Oh, and get your tiny violins out for Grimes  

He tried to get his followers to pile in on me on twitter but nobody did because he’s got no friends

 

[Alex 35097]

I love how people like him label the entire ‘left’ as being hypocrites for not adhering to what he thinks they should be about. Despite him not feeling he needs to adhere to that or believing in what he thinks the left should stand for. He was wearing a MAGA hat (and looking like a fucking gimp) on US election night. He’s just after sympathy and by extension more money for being a cunt. As Tom says he’s just another useful idiot who’s been discarded when no longer deemed to be an effective spreader of propaganda. So now he can go back to just being an idiot 

Edited February 19, 2021 by Alex

[Meenzer 15552]

From MAGA to Mama. Life comes at you fast.

[Monkeys Fist 42461]

 

Kind and gentle. 

 

If Darren Grimes walked in to a Monkey Brothel dressed as a banana he’d still walk out untouched. 
 

 

[ewerk 30642]

[Alex 35097]

He should get a place with that turbo virgin off infowars

[ewerk 30642]

 

This encapsulates the worry I have about Starmer. The obvious thing would be for him to call for the entire cabinet to resign and rant and rave about their incompetence and oppose them at every turn but the sensible thing is not to during a crisis. Whether the sensible approach will cut through with the public however remains to be seen.

[Tom 14011]

I think Corbyn’s spell has rocked the boat in many respects, particularly the habit of opposing literally everything all the time.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3900]

11 minutes ago, Tom said:

I think Corbyn’s spell has rocked the boat in many respects, particularly the habit of opposing literally everything all the time.

Did he oppose everything? He didn't oppose Brexit off the top of my head. He was also uber shit at rejoinders during PM's questions.

[Alex 35097]

5 hours ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

Did he oppose everything? He didn't oppose Brexit off the top of my head. He was also uber shit at rejoinders during PM's questions.

I think it’s s good point though in that lots of stuff seemed like a reactive response without much in the way of a clear strategy from Corbyn and that inner circle of winnets that was meant to be advising him

[Rayvin 5223]

Corbyn at least tried to argue for a version of Brexit that wouldn't be a total fiasco - Starmer on the other hand has waved through the current deal without expressing any concern whatsoever.

 

As shit as Corbyn was on Brexit, Starmer has outdone him.

 

I'm really struggling to see Starmer as the next PM. He's no more electable than Corbyn was based on the evidence we're seeing at the moment. He's barely even fucking visible.

 

EDIT - he's currently running third as 'best man for the PM job' with Yougov, behind Johnson in first and 'I don't know' in second. I suppose you could argue that the I don't know group have to break one way or the other in the end but that's still not a hugely encouraging sign IMO.

Edited February 23, 2021 by Rayvin

[Tom 14011]

Corbyn had a chance to directly oppose brexit & campaign for remain but he didn’t want to so he didn’t. 

He was MIA during the referendum & to pretend otherwise is a fanciful reimagining.

Hard to blame Starmer with the record breaking levels of shit he’s been left with.

Politics is about concession & Starmer is a Fabian no?

[Rayvin 5223]

Aye and he took the same approach that we now apparently laud Starmer for. Pragmatic compromise. And for all Corbyn's "pragmatism" was a confusing, unstructured and poorly thought through mess, Starmer's is a clear and wholesale concession - and while yes, the ship has sailed, he's treating it like it's out at sea and approaching its destination, rather than having left the port and immediately started taking on water, which is the reality.

 

Apart from his Brexit stance, which I consider short sighted and actually fairly desperate, I don't blame him for anything particularly. He doesn't risk enough to get anything right or wrong, at least not so far.

 

Ultimately Starmer wants everyone to move on from Brexit as much as Johnson does, maybe more - and that's because Labour are fucked if it remains on the agenda. Which it will, because the damage will still be felt in 5 years time, and that broad church will be screaming at each other across the aisle.

 

He cannot win with the approach he's taking unless Brexit goes sideways so monumentally that the Tories start tanking to the tune of about 10%, so I see little point in mollycoddling him. He's barely present and unless he grows a spine and a vision with some urgency, he's going to be a footnote in this country's shameful recent history.

 

If he proves me wrong then more power to him, I'll certainly welcome it should it happen. But as it stands I'm sticking with my 10-15 years of Tory rule prediction. Brexit has annihilated Labour.

[Monkeys Fist 42461]

19 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

unless Brexit goes sideways so monumentally that the Tories start tanking

Give it time. 

[Rayvin 5223]

It'll be a stage managed death by a thousand cuts, man. People won't notice because it'll be slow as fuck and leave voters will be doing their utmost to find the positives.

 

We need to stop ceding ground to these people.