Politics

[Monkeys Fist 42460]

31 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

A lot of my friends in the arts (comedy mostly) have gone on the governments re training app and after entering their details it has told them to get jobs in .... The Arts. lol

Do they test their new stuff on you? 

[Howmanheyman 33267]

4 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

Do they test their new stuff on you? 

Hamish, are you doing the fringe at Edinburgh this year? I haven't heard you mentioning much about it lately? 

 

No, Crawford, I'm taking some time out this year. Tried a small routine on Kevin Carr's gloves and you could've heard a pin drop. Not even a titter. Thinking of getting into the English tapas scene with a friend who lives down south of the border, instead.

[Tom 14011]

Whilst this government flits between right wing authoritarianism at best & chaotic evil at worst I don’t know how I could ever be ambivalent about voting labour no matter how bland they are. 
 

Also I imagine the tactic is to establish trust/power and then gradually move left. (Starmer is literally on the board of the Fabian society)

[NJS 4389]

I can understand Starmer trying to emulate Blair in getting the old fuckers on board but the reality is that that drift was happening before and during Blair's time as well - its about the link between people and unions and communities in a post industrial world as well as young people leaving these areas and leaving behind people who feel lost. Add in the freedom to be publicly racist and you have a huge problem which I think saluting the flag is only a start in fixing. 

 

As I've said before you can acknowledge what Blair did in terms of schools and hospitals etc. in these areas but unfortunately its still perceived with some justification that they were taken for granted and didn't receive enough support in terms of real investment. That perception will be hard to change. 

[ewerk 30634]

Rees-Mogg’s sister currently doing the indy2 campaign a fantastic service on Politics Live with her ‘you’d have nothing if it weren’t for us’ argument to Scotland.

[Toonpack 9445]

2 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Rees-Mogg’s sister currently doing the indy2 campaign a fantastic service on Politics Live with her ‘you’d have nothing if it weren’t for us’ argument to Scotland.

Always amazes me, if Scotland is such a HUGE drain on the rest of the UK, why the fuck are Westminster so desperate to keep hold of such a patently deep money pit !!!

[Alex 35095]

3 hours ago, NJS said:

I can understand Starmer trying to emulate Blair in getting the old fuckers on board but the reality is that that drift was happening before and during Blair's time as well - its about the link between people and unions and communities in a post industrial world as well as young people leaving these areas and leaving behind people who feel lost. Add in the freedom to be publicly racist and you have a huge problem which I think saluting the flag is only a start in fixing. 

 

As I've said before you can acknowledge what Blair did in terms of schools and hospitals etc. in these areas but unfortunately its still perceived with some justification that they were taken for granted and didn't receive enough support in terms of real investment. That perception will be hard to change. 

Agreed but I still struggle to get my head around voting Tory as a fix. They’ve made things much fucking worse 

[Dr Gloom 21946]

5 hours ago, Tom said:

Whilst this government flits between right wing authoritarianism at best & chaotic evil at worst I don’t know how I could ever be ambivalent about voting labour no matter how bland they are. 
 

Also I imagine the tactic is to establish trust/power and then gradually move left. (Starmer is literally on the board of the Fabian society)

exactly. win power first - and to do so make some compromises along the way - then reveal your true colours with policies that help deliver social justice. 

[Howmanheyman 33267]

3 hours ago, Toonpack said:

Always amazes me, if Scotland is such a HUGE drain on the rest of the UK, why the fuck are Westminster so desperate to keep hold of such a patently deep money pit !!!

I'm like this for the north east getting blamed for a Tory govt or Brexit. Wish we had known how much power we wielded all those years we got the govt we didn't vote for.

 

 

[Rayvin 5223]

12 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

exactly. win power first - and to do so make some compromises along the way - then reveal your true colours with policies that help deliver social justice. 

 

So you think that Labour will win power and then take us back into the EU?

[Renton 21636]

16 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

So you think that Labour will win power and then take us back into the EU?

 

Would you settle for a Norway type deal? I would, tbh rejoining fully would be a disaster for at least 20 years. Half this country are thick as whale spunk brexiteers. They'd continue to be represented in the EU parliament because of PR and continue to disgrace us. Why would the EU even want us?

 

Norway however is perfect. All the benefits and no say. No Farage to embarrass us in Brussels. Also we could keep our precious fish. Its definitely what I would aim for if I was Starmer.

[Meenzer 15552]

3 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Would you settle for a Norway type deal? I would, tbh rejoining fully would be a disaster for at least 20 years. Half this country are thick as whale spunk brexiteers. They'd continue to be represented in the EU parliament because of PR and continue to disgrace us. Why would the EU even want us?

 

Norway however is perfect. All the benefits and no say. No Farage to embarrass us in Brussels. Also we could keep our precious fish. Its definitely what I would aim for if I was Starmer.

 

It's also the option Farage used to champion, even if he denies that now, so that's something to point at if you're trying to get those voters on side.

[Rayvin 5223]

41 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Would you settle for a Norway type deal? I would, tbh rejoining fully would be a disaster for at least 20 years. Half this country are thick as whale spunk brexiteers. They'd continue to be represented in the EU parliament because of PR and continue to disgrace us. Why would the EU even want us?

 

Norway however is perfect. All the benefits and no say. No Farage to embarrass us in Brussels. Also we could keep our precious fish. Its definitely what I would aim for if I was Starmer.

 

I would tbf.

[Dr Gloom 21946]

1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

 

So you think that Labour will win power and then take us back into the EU?

probably not, but then no party capable of winning power would. so if those are preconditions for your vote, it looks like you've given up on democracy - well done, we can blame your for more tory rule just as we can blame brexit on CT. 

what starmer might do, as a remainer, is lay the foundations for a possible future return

[Renton 21636]

18 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

probably not, but then no party capable of winning power would. so if those are preconditions for your vote, it looks like you've given up on democracy - well done, we can blame your for more tory rule just as we can blame brexit on CT. 

what starmer might do, as a remainer, is lay the foundations for a possible future return

 

Absolutely. 

[Carl 175]

This new policy of Boris to build houses with no planning permission in certain areas will be a huge benefit to ..............millionaires and his city investment chums.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3900]

12 hours ago, Toonpack said:

I just wish Hadrian's wall was the border, as every thick southern fucker seems to think, as a proud Northumbrian (of Scots heritage) I'd have best of both worlds   

The football team is utter garbage mind.

[Monkeys Fist 42460]

9 hours ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

The football team is utter garbage mind.

We’re used to that

[Rayvin 5223]

14 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

probably not, but then no party capable of winning power would. so if those are preconditions for your vote, it looks like you've given up on democracy - well done, we can blame your for more tory rule just as we can blame brexit on CT. 

what starmer might do, as a remainer, is lay the foundations for a possible future return

 

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but i don't give a fuck who you blame - the idea that you think I can be shamed into voting labour based on this feeble logic is kind of hilarious.

 

Blame me if it helps you sleep at night though.

[Dr Gloom 21946]

46 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but i don't give a fuck who you blame - the idea that you think I can be shamed into voting labour based on this feeble logic is kind of hilarious.

 

Blame me if it helps you sleep at night though.

i blame you and you alone for enabling another five years of tory rule. i hope you're proud of yourself 

[Dr Gloom 21946]

in case the sarcasm was lost again, i was poking fun. i don't blame you for anything

[Meenzer 15552]

Identity pLOLitics, amirite

 

[Rayvin 5223]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

in case the sarcasm was lost again, i was poking fun. i don't blame you for anything

 

I'm struggling to see it in the initial post, especially since the two statements it's couched between are both quite possibly accurate. Yes Starmer may set the foundations for a return, and yes I have given up on democracy.

 

It's worth noting though that Starmer appears to me to be pragmatic above everything else. He isn't going to push us back towards the EU on principle, only if there are votes in it. Therefore it makes sense for me to hold my vote ransom if i ever want to see this happen.

 

Not that I actually matter at all, but you get the idea.

 

I stuck with him through a number of abstentions that made my stomach turn based on taking a pragmatic view myself, but if they stop being a pro-EU party then that really is the end of it for me.

[Monkeys Fist 42460]

I blame Rayvin for everything and I’ve still  got Nzogbia most nights. 
 

Damn your eyes, Rayvin, damn your eyes! 
 

[Dr Gloom 21946]

5 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I'm struggling to see it in the initial post, especially since the two statements it's couched between are both quite possibly accurate. Yes Starmer may set the foundations for a return, and yes I have given up on democracy.

 

It's worth noting though that Starmer appears to me to be pragmatic above everything else. He isn't going to push us back towards the EU on principle, only if there are votes in it. Therefore it makes sense for me to hold my vote ransom if i ever want to see this happen.

 

Not that I actually matter at all, but you get the idea.

 

I stuck with him through a number of abstentions that made my stomach turn based on taking a pragmatic view myself, but if they stop being a pro-EU party then that really is the end of it for me.

i don't blame CT for brexit anymore than i would blame you for choosing not to vote labour. i felt the same way after iraq so i lent my vote to the greens. depends on what kind of seat you're in, i suppose. mine has always been safe labour. i wouldn't ever protest vote if i lived in a marginal.

but while i understand your disillusion over brexit - i share it - i also think we have to accept it is happening. i'm at that stage of grief now: leaving the EU has a democratic mandate. the last GE was essentially a second referendum. it's shit, but no political party is going to win power on a rejoin platform any time soon.