Dr Gloom 21924 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: And a Corbyn government definitely wouldn't have gone to war... Corbyn couldn’t even beat the Maybot. I allowed myself to dream about our chances of scraping a hung parliament but he was never going to govern, let’s be frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Anyway, it's job done by the Tories. Whilst the left rips itself apart arguing about whether it's Corbyns fault or Brexits fault, or whether we need to lurch to the centre.... The BBC, Kussenberg, the Andrew Neil mess, right wing Rabbi doing their mates a favour, Boris lying to the Queen, funding his GF with tax payers money, assaulting his current GF, 80% of their ads being lies etc etc etc all gets forgotten about. The propaganda machine does its job and the morons remain happy with their lot. It’s all the Jews and the media’s fault, of course it is 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7031 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Your doing it again It's not all the medias fault, but they certainly have a big part to play. Your blind if you can't see it. Pick up a paper or turn or sky news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: The Iraq war was a colossal foreign policy fuck up. I marched against it in London and didn’t vote Labour in the following two elections, in protest. However, it isn’t the only thing that defines the Blair government. As shameful as it was, it is a real shame some see it as his only defining legacy. His achievements should have been talked up on the campaign trail, not disowned. It could have been used to appeal to floating voters - remember that decade under a labour government before the global financial crisis, it was quite good, wasn’t it? Blair is a social democrat. His policies won elections and improved people’s lives. It’s a shame the Corbyn cult chose to ignore that. You're right to an extent but the danger is that the next question is so why did the crash happen? I know the answer but the argument was mainly lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Anyway, it's job done by the Tories. Whilst the left rips itself apart arguing about whether it's Corbyns fault or Brexits fault, or whether we need to lurch to the centre.... The BBC, Kussenberg, the Andrew Neil mess, right wing Rabbi doing their mates a favour, Boris lying to the Queen, funding his GF with tax payers money, assaulting his current GF, 80% of their ads being lies etc etc etc all gets forgotten about. The propaganda machine does its job and the morons remain happy with their lot. Nobody has forgotten about that stuff. Anyone with a political brain knows about it and recognises you have to deal with it. Which is precisely why you have to be smart about it. New Labour type smart. I told you years ago Corbyn was an amateur and would be a disaster for the party and by extension the country. You wouldn't listen. And you still won't listen. You're part if the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 “New labour type smart” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Problem was there were no alternative left wing candidates - that's a shame in itself as the centrists who scream about a broad church didn't think that church should go that far with their MP selections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Your doing it again It's not all the medias fault, but they certainly have a big part to play. Your blind if you can't see it. Pick up a paper or turn or sky news I blame the chief rabbi and his friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42459 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I blame Dai Goldstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 28 minutes ago, NJS said: Problem was there were no alternative left wing candidates - that's a shame in itself as the centrists who scream about a broad church didn't think that church should go that far with their MP selections. There are still no viable left wing candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) Quite an extraordinary oped that somehow contrives to blame the election defeat on new labour, winner of three elections https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/14/labour-meltdown-decades-govern-votes?__twitter_impression=true Edited December 14, 2019 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I posted that - it's right that nl took the heartlands for granted and the hi-tech job delivery never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 The heartlands were fucking crying for someone like Blair, man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 How do we wrestle control off Momentum? Sign up to Labour now, if you want to change anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I’m seriously considering it. I’m going to dig out my contract to see if I can or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Corbyn’s central campaign promise was to end austerity but the places most badly affected by austerity voted for the Tories. Blyth, Workington and many more. I think that demonstrates their main issue was the leader. We can harp on about Brexit and the media but the membership have to consider this when they choose his replacement and ask themselves: do we want to govern or continue as a sixth form debating club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 When the electorate is too stupid to vote in it's best interests then there isn't an answer. Stop looking for one, find peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Spot on from Freedland. Corbyn and co need to fuck off now https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/corbynism-labour-left-party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Bridget in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 We need to win the argument with the hard left first.. leaders later. We need to avoid the party falling apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Here's a funny thing. I popped into my parents house this afternoon. My Dad use to be firm believer in scottish independence. Now he's not and firmly wants the union to hold together. I'm the exact opposite. I was a firm believer in the union, now I think Scotland should seek independence despite the huge practical difficulties. It would be nice to hear the thoughts of Scottish voters like JJ (not KCG who isn't really a scot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I spent today chatting with my Dad and he is adamant that we need to have a northern leader for the party (Not Sir Starmer or Thornberry or any of the London "elites"), reconnect, get proportional representation, and never let this shit happen again. He wanted Raynor, Jarvis, someone like that. Was also adamant that getting into recriminations and blaming people for being "stupid" is pointless. We need to move on, learn from it and suck it up. I think he's right but it's annoying because I want to be angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 39 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I spent today chatting with my Dad and he is adamant that we need to have a northern leader for the party (Not Sir Starmer or Thornberry or any of the London "elites"), reconnect, get proportional representation, and never let this shit happen again. He wanted Raynor, Jarvis, someone like that. Was also adamant that getting into recriminations and blaming people for being "stupid" is pointless. We need to move on, learn from it and suck it up. I think he's right but it's annoying because I want to be angry. Ian Lavery is clearly the answer here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42459 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Renton said: Bridget is clearly the answer here. FYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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