Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, ewerk said: @Christmas Tree Remind is again why you think that the Tories are on your side? https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-the-elite-dining-club-behind-130m-donations-to-the-tories/ Simples. They manage the economy better than anyone else. Every Labour government has left office with unemployment higher than when they came in. I thought Corbyns manifesto launch was very good, also his speech to the CBI. I think he is a very genuine bloke and believes what he says but the bottom line is that promising he can achieve all that just by hitting the richest 5% is bollocks. Even the IFS say so. I find the return to secondary picketing and taking 10% of the value off every company with 250 plus employees terrifying. We will be back to the 70’s of wealth creators moving offshore, crippling strikes hitting every sector and eventually the continued trend of no money left and more unemployment. Personally I long for a return to sensible centrist policies and living within our means. We should be welcoming in a landslide centre left government but it looks like we are heading for another deathly hung parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) Mate, his central pledge is to pursue a policy that 99% of economists say will severely damage our economy and future and you’re still happy to vote for him? Edited November 22, 2019 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 The City fears a Corbyn government. But not as much as it fears Brexit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Simples. They manage the economy better than anyone else. Every Labour government has left office with unemployment higher than when they came in. This Tory government, if it leaves office, will be departing with a higher national debt than we've ever had, doubling what it was dealing with when it took over. They're morons man, you know they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Simples. They manage the economy better than anyone else. Every Labour government has left office with unemployment higher than when they came in. I thought Corbyns manifesto launch was very good, also his speech to the CBI. I think he is a very genuine bloke and believes what he says but the bottom line is that promising he can achieve all that just by hitting the richest 5% is bollocks. Even the IFS say so. I find the return to secondary picketing and taking 10% of the value off every company with 250 plus employees terrifying. We will be back to the 70’s of wealth creators moving offshore, crippling strikes hitting every sector and eventually the continued trend of no money left and more unemployment. Personally I long for a return to sensible centrist policies and living within our means. We should be welcoming in a landslide centre left government but it looks like we are heading for another deathly hung parliament. The argument they’ve managed the economy better than anyone else lost relevance the moment they abandoned evidence based policy, you fat little cunt 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, ewerk said: Mate, his central pledge is to pursue a policy that 99% of economists say will severely damage our economy and future and you’re still happy to vote for him? They say Brexit might reduce the amount of growth, but Labours manifesto, sadly will bankrupt the country. If Labour put that manifesto forward but added that all of us would have to pay a bit more to achieve it ( as happens in Europe), then it would get a landslide. That would be honest and achievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 You got any evidence that it’ll bankrupt us? As far as European countries go it’ll put us firmly in the middle of the pack regarding taxation and spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: They say Brexit might reduce the amount of growth, but Labours manifesto, sadly will bankrupt the country. If Labour put that manifesto forward but added that all of us would have to pay a bit more to achieve it ( as happens in Europe), then it would get a landslide. That would be honest and achievable. The country is £1.5tn in debt. Out of interest, where do you think the extra £700bn that the Tories have racked national debt up by since coming into power has actually gone? Since we're living under austerity etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: The City fears a Corbyn government. But not as much as it fears Brexit The city forecasts that Brexit will mean a slower growth rate. On Corbyn the FT says “TERMINAL ECONOMIC DECLINE”! Good paper, suggest you read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 You’re too stupid to contribute. Back into exile for you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: You got any evidence that it’ll bankrupt us? As far as European countries go it’ll put us firmly in the middle of the pack regarding taxation and spending. Yes, but they’ve done that over many years and on the back of higher taxation for everyone as detailed by the IFS yesterday. You know it’s a cheap con. You can have all this but only the top 5% will pay. Sadly that’s the way politics is. If they’d said everyone has to pay for this better standard of living, they would get nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, ewerk said: You’re too stupid to contribute. Back into exile for you. Bye but you summoned the wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 That’s why Labour have fully costed it. Where’s the Tory costings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I'm not convinced that there's an overwhelming demand for a return to centrism based on what we're seeing, it has to be said. I think we're in "pick a side" territory. CT has chosen the racist millionaires for some reason but there we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Alex said: The argument they’ve managed the economy better than anyone else lost relevance the moment they abandoned evidence based policy, you fat little cunt This is the top and bottom of it. This sentence is 100% accurate. And ffs @ewerk. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Tories have decided they've won tonight's TV thing. Apparently the thing they wanted most was for Corbyn to say something unequivocal on Brexit. Now they can stitch him up as they planned to no matter what he said, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 45 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: They say Brexit might reduce the amount of growth, but Labours manifesto, sadly will bankrupt the country. If Labour put that manifesto forward but added that all of us would have to pay a bit more to achieve it ( as happens in Europe), then it would get a landslide. That would be honest and achievable. Can I have that in English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Can we just have a collective boo for CT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 The only thing uglier than his soul is his lass 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Cannot be real. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Catching up on the thing from last night. Christ you could almost feel sorry for Swinson if she wasn't such an ambitious little shit. The only people getting applauded were the audience members that were dismantling her. Does feel like a canny pro Labour crowd mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gemmill said: Catching up on the thing from last night. Christ you could almost feel sorry for Swinson if she wasn't such an ambitious little shit. The only people getting applauded were the audience members that were dismantling her. Does feel like a canny pro Labour crowd mind. It's hard to tell on crowd bias. Were they pro-Labour or were they just well informed? Edited November 23, 2019 by Rayvin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: It's hard to tell on crowd bias. Were they pro-Labour or were they just well informed? Same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Has CT seen the tories record on “the economy” in the last 9 years? Its impossible to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42459 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Why do you think he’s fucked off? What a fucking weapons-grade cunt. Of all the heinous twats the Tories have had in charge recently, Johnson is the one who will give CT the most trouser action. You can guarantee that if/when they get back in, Boldon Humpty will be back, briefly, thinking it’s all a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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