Politics

[Dr Gloom 21813]

Do you seriously think someone in BBC editorial made this decision, thinking no one would notice? Howay man 

[Tom 14011]

Are seriously suggesting the BBC are impartial? I’m not having it.

 

[ewerk 30266]

Aye, and Epstein was murdered...

[Dr Gloom 21813]

Yes, I am. The right think it leans too far to the left - you wouldn’t get a right-wing equivalent of The Mash Report or Frankie Boyle’s show, for example - and the left accuse of it favouring the right. It doesn’t always get it right but there is no newsroom conspiracy.  

 

[ewerk 30266]

Actually he was.

[Alex 34846]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

There is no conspiracy. 

You would say that

[Rayvin 5183]

3 hours ago, ewerk said:

I keep saying it but democracy doesn’t work. That cunt’s vote is worth more than mine. It’s a fucking joke.

 

Totally agree.

[Rayvin 5183]

Although having watched that video, I would suggest that he's voting the way he is because he's thoroughly disenfranchised. Someone who has little in the way of individual achievement, and so looks to reflected glory from being 'British'. Brexit is something to be 'proud' about because of the way it's sold, so it appeals to him over and above the mediocre improvements to his life that he thinks any of the parties will really offer.

 

If that is his thinking, I can understand it.

 

This is why 20 years of no one having any kind of vision for the country has been damaging. There needs to be something to rally behind.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Rayvin

[Renton 21311]

10 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Although having watched that video, I would suggest that he's voting the way he is because he's thoroughly disenfranchised. Someone who has little in the way of individual achievement, and so looks to reflected glory from being 'British'. Brexit is something to be 'proud' about because of the way it's sold, so it appeals to him over and above the mediocre improvements to his life that he thinks any of the parties will really offer.

 

If that is his thinking, I can understand it.

 

This is why 20 years of no one having any kind of vision for the country has been damaging. There needs to be something to rally behind.

 

Like what? Sounds suspiciously like you're endorsing nationalism. Do we fuck need something to rally behind. We don't need a vision. We just need pragmatic politics that delivers a fair society without adversely affecting aspiration. It's not rocket science. In fact, we had it a decade ago until the Tories fucked it up with austerity.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Renton

[Rayvin 5183]

2 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Like what? Sounds suspiciously like you're endorsing nationalism. Do we fuck need something to rally behind. We don't need a vision. We just need pragmatic politics that delivers a fair society without adversely affecting aspiration. It's not rocket science. In fact, we had it a decade ago until the Tories fucked it up with austerity.

 

Is nationalism really all you can come up with when someone talks about vision? Fucking hell, if that's representative of the centre then we are indeed fucked.

 

Corbyn, for all you hate the guy, has a vision. It's about making society fairer and more equal, and creating a better life for people in general. That's something he deeply cares about and is at the heart of his campaigning. You can call it bollocks all you like, but that semblance of a vision is important for a lot of people. Especially young people I might add. How can we expect young people to be motivated by pragmatic political decisions that they rightly see as just rearranging window dressing on a fixed model?

 

Disagree all you want, but this country has been crying out for a vision for decades and now has Corbynism and Brexit. The fact that both are inadequate (Corbyn's largely only because he is) doesn't change the fact that they have both motivated people to overcome a status quo that they weren't happy with.

[Renton 21311]

1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

 

Is nationalism really all you can come up with when someone talks about vision? Fucking hell, if that's representative of the centre then we are indeed fucked.

 

Corbyn, for all you hate the guy, has a vision. It's about making society fairer and more equal, and creating a better life for people in general. That's something he deeply cares about and is at the heart of his campaigning. You can call it bollocks all you like, but that semblance of a vision is important for a lot of people. Especially young people I might add. How can we expect young people to be motivated by pragmatic political decisions that they rightly see as just rearranging window dressing on a fixed model?

 

Disagree all you want, but this country has been crying out for a vision for decades and now has Corbynism and Brexit. The fact that both are inadequate (Corbyn's largely only because he is) doesn't change the fact that they have both motivated people to overcome a status quo that they weren't happy with.

 

No, I don't like the idea of rallying behind anything. I don't like ideologies from either end of the spectrum. Rallying crys never end up in good places. You inevitably split the population or, if not, the outcome is even worse. 

 

Corbyn's nationalisation agenda is ideologically driven which is why its doomed to failure imo. He's not the solution to the mess we are in, neither of the main parties are. As seen by that Gemmill's video, most people now are just trying to figure out the least worst option, and most people just want to go back to where we were. What a fucking tragic state of affairs. 

[Rayvin 5183]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

 

No, I don't like the idea of rallying behind anything. I don't like ideologies from either end of the spectrum. Rallying crys never end up in good places. You inevitably split the population or, if not, the outcome is even worse. 

 

Corbyn's nationalisation agenda is ideologically driven which is why its doomed to failure imo. He's not the solution to the mess we are in, neither of the main parties are. As seen by that Gemmill's video, most people now are just trying to figure out the least worst option, and most people just want to go back to where we were. What a fucking tragic state of affairs. 

 

How do you think the EU came about if not through some kind of vision? Why do you think they're in a kind of evolution towards statehood if they don't have some overall aim? Your entire first line is based solely on what you have observed from British politics in the past 4 years.

 

I'm not saying we need to adopt a fully socialist economy or anything purist in ideological terms, but I am saying that any shift towards a better future needs an accompanying vision of what that future can be. The vision is what brings people with you from across the aisle, and enables unity going forward. Where we have struggled here, is that we had two fairly radical visions appearing at the same time.

 

I've said before, if the centre could come up with anything remotely resembling an exciting statement on where it wants to be in the future, I'd be back with it. As it stands, I expect that I will simply disengage.

[Rayvin 5183]

I mean look at the LDs, the party of the centre. What the fuck do they actually stand for? Seriously. Beyond Brexit, what is there? Fucking nothing.

[Rayvin 5183]

Just to reinforce that point:

 

Conservative polling by age:

18-24: 16%
25-49: 31%
50-64: 47%
65+: 64%

Labour polling by age:

18-24: 49%
25-49: 38%
50-64: 19%
65+: 14%

YouGov/Sky/The Times 11-12 Nov
#GE2019

[Dr Gloom 21813]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

You would say that

Exactly, I work in a newsroom and know how ridiculous the accusation is. It’s the BBC, not Russia today.

[Alex 34846]

He’s in on it

[ewerk 30266]

The Tories attempted to cut the BBC’s budget by 20% but aye, of course there’s pro-Tory bias...

[Alex 34846]

Aye, because that’s not a reason to toe the line

[Renton 21311]

A bit off topic, but just watched the full interview with Prince Andrew and Emily Maitlis. 

 

Fucking hell. First, Maitlis did a fucking brilliant job there. What a car crash that was for his royal highness. He was unable to sweat back in the day because of PTSD apparently .  Second, how the fuck anybody can support the monarchy after this? He's a fucking obvious nonce, full stop. Then think back to Charles wanting to be a tampon etc. 

 

Get rid of FPTP joke democracy  and this fucking royal family while we're at it. Our country's constitution, unwritten as it is, is not fit for the 21st century. 

Edited November 16, 2019 by Renton

[Meenzer 15407]

2 minutes ago, Renton said:

First, Maitlis did a fucking brilliant job there.

 

 

She was brilliant like.

 

As to the rest of what you say, unfortunately vast swathes of the population will never get over the mindset that it's correct to show deference to toffs, royal or otherwise.

 

[Renton 21311]

6 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

 

 

She was brilliant like.

 

As to the rest of what you say, unfortunately vast swathes of the population will never get over the mindset that it's correct to show deference to toffs, royal or otherwise.

 

 

It was a masterclass by her. At first I was frustrated she wasn't more confrontational, but then realised she was just feeding him rope. He won't have realised 'til after it was wrapped. This interview was a terrible idea from "the palace's" perspective. In hindsight, of course. 

[Meenzer 15407]

 

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