Rayvin 6437 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 08:37, Renton said: There can be no objection to allowing Corbyn to head a GNU just for long enough to get the extension over the line and call a GE, surely. Corbyn would have no power in this scenario without the consent of the others. It's a bit much saying Swinson is closer to the tories than labour mind, I really don't think that's true considering the Tories are to the right of satan currently. Expand Well apparently that's what she thinks herself. She's ruled out working with Labour but not the Tories, according to Gloom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24243 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 08:38, Rayvin said: Well apparently that's what she thinks herself. She's ruled out working with Labour but not the Tories, according to Gloom. Expand My bad. It was on Marr. She categorically refused to work with labour under Corbyn but dodged the question about another alliance with the Tories https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2019/09/15/on-andrew-marr-lib-dem-leader-jo-swinson-hints-at-a-betrayal-worse-than-tuition-fees/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6437 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 08:43, Dr Gloom said: My bad. It was on Marr. She categorically refused to work with labour under Corbyn but dodged the question about another alliance with the Tories https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2019/09/15/on-andrew-marr-lib-dem-leader-jo-swinson-hints-at-a-betrayal-worse-than-tuition-fees/amp/ Expand Yeah so, this speaks volumes really. I don't think she's understood that her party are being buoyed by predominantly centre-left remainers. Who will more naturally gravitate to Corbyn than any Tory lite position. Anyway, apparently there is a movement to get behind Margaret Beckett taking over as PM. Tory outcasts could support that, so presumably the LDs could too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4718 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 08:37, Renton said: There can be no objection to allowing Corbyn to head a GNU just for long enough to get the extension over the line and call a GE, surely. Corbyn would have no power in this scenario without the consent of the others. It's a bit much saying Swinson is closer to the tories than labour mind, I really don't think that's true considering the Tories are to the right of satan currently. Expand She specifically criticised Johnson for increasing spending and used the phrase "tough choices" - she's a huge fan of austerity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24465 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) On 25/09/2019 at 08:52, NJS said: She specifically criticised Johnson for increasing spending and used the phrase "tough choices" - she's a huge fan of austerity. Expand Johnson's spending pledges aren't costed and are a clear bribe he will not honour. I'm critical of them too. I'm not a fan of Swinson by any means. But I'm also not a fan of the tendency to equate every centrist as a right wing extremist either. Edited September 25, 2019 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 16787 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 08:45, Rayvin said: Anyway, apparently there is a movement to get behind Margaret Beckett taking over as PM. Tory outcasts could support that, so presumably the LDs could too. Expand I'd love to think Beckett was playing a hell of a long game by nominating Corbyn for leader in the knowledge that he'd end up being useless and something like this would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6437 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 09:00, Meenzer said: I'd love to think Beckett was playing a hell of a long game by nominating Corbyn for leader in the knowledge that he'd end up being useless and something like this would happen. Expand Apparently she's a popular choice because no one thinks she has any aspirations to hold power, so maybe she's played them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6437 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 08:55, Renton said: Johnson's spending pledges aren't costed and are a clear bribe he will not honour. I'm critical of them too. I'm not a fan of Swinson by any means. But I'm also not a fan of the tendency to equate every centrist as a right wing extremist either. Expand But Swinson herself is positioning herself that way by distancing from Labour and towards the Tories. I don't know enough about her policies to say one way or the other about her, but from her own mouth, she sounds prepared to enable a Tory government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34176 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 09:03, Rayvin said: But Swinson herself is positioning herself that way by distancing from Labour and towards the Tories. I don't know enough about her policies to say one way or the other about her, but from her own mouth, she sounds prepared to enable a Tory government. Expand She has ruled out supporting either of the main parties under their current leaders. She's also ruled out supporting Indyref2 so that puts her at odds with the SNP. She's basically alienated herself from everyone she could possibly have to work with after a GE. She appears to be a bit deluded regarding her chances of getting an overall majority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24465 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 09:03, Rayvin said: But Swinson herself is positioning herself that way by distancing from Labour and towards the Tories. I don't know enough about her policies to say one way or the other about her, but from her own mouth, she sounds prepared to enable a Tory government. Expand Really? Can you evidence this? How does this play with the labour rebels that have joined the LDs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24465 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 09:10, ewerk said: She has ruled out supporting either of the main parties under their current leaders. She's also ruled out supporting Indyref2 so that puts her at odds with the SNP. She's basically alienated herself from everyone she could possibly have to work with after a GE. She appears to be a bit deluded regarding her chances of getting an overall majority. Expand She doesn't want to alienate her new rebel members either. This will never work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6437 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 09:11, Renton said: Really? Can you evidence this? How does this play with the labour rebels that have joined the LDs? Expand The evidence is what Gloom posted on the last page. And also, I might add, supporting austerity - the most damaging Tory policy of our generation. She seems far harder on Corbyn than anyone else, she's falling over herself to distance from Labour. Anyway, like I said, I'm not really following her - if I've got her wrong then my bad, but no smoke without fire, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6437 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 09:10, ewerk said: She has ruled out supporting either of the main parties under their current leaders. She's also ruled out supporting Indyref2 so that puts her at odds with the SNP. She's basically alienated herself from everyone she could possibly have to work with after a GE. She appears to be a bit deluded regarding her chances of getting an overall majority. Expand Yeah when you put it like this it does seem like she's staking everything on the GE. At least she's still targeting the Tories over Labour on that front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4718 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Taking in those tory rebels who are in no way proper liberals has pissed off a hell of a lot of her members as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6437 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 09:35, NJS said: Taking in those tory rebels who are in no way proper liberals has pissed off a hell of a lot of her members as well. Expand Is this actually true in the sense that we have evidence of it, or just your impression from talking to some of them? Not doubting you as such, just curious if anyone has actually explored it - I would indeed think it would be jarring for the party's left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 52397 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I haven't missed this pontificating cunt's voice (Geoffrey Cox). What a fucking arsewipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4718 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) On 25/09/2019 at 09:47, Rayvin said: Is this actually true in the sense that we have evidence of it, or just your impression from talking to some of them? Not doubting you as such, just curious if anyone has actually explored it - I would indeed think it would be jarring for the party's left. Expand They lost at least one if not more of their lgbqt committee's chairs due to one of them being an out and out homophobe. Edited September 25, 2019 by NJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 6437 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Fair enough. As an aside, I wonder what CT makes of all of this. If he can finally see the Tories for what they are, or if he is still more interested in being 'right'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24465 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 10:52, Gemmill said: I haven't missed this pontificating cunt's voice (Geoffrey Cox). What a fucking arsewipe. Expand @Rayvin CT loves cocks, I mean Cox iirc. Think he said he was masterful or something. He'll be lurking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 34176 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 11:06, NJS said: They lost at least one if not more of their lgbqt committee's chairs due to one of them being an out and out homophobe. Expand I assume that LGBTQ chair took the same stance when Tim Farron led the party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 24243 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 the attorney general calling opposition backbenchers chicken. what a child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 52397 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 11:15, Renton said: @Rayvin CT loves cocks, I mean Cox iirc. Think he said he was masterful or something. He'll be lurking. Expand Aye he does. Cos they're both panto dames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 52397 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 In a way it's great that the Tories have to send these completely unrelatable fucking bellends like Cox and Rees-Mogg out out to treat the whole thing like a giant game. To any normal person this pomposity is unbearable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 24465 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I've got tomorrow's headline. Cox is a Cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14281 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 25/09/2019 at 08:37, Renton said: There can be no objection to allowing Corbyn to head a GNU just for long enough to get the extension over the line and call a GE, surely. Corbyn would have no power in this scenario without the consent of the others. It's a bit much saying Swinson is closer to the tories than labour mind, I really don't think that's true considering the Tories are to the right of satan currently. Expand Swinson IS a Tory ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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