Politics

[ewerk 30266]

Just now, NJS said:

The argument against NL bankrupting the economy is quite right pointing out that the tories promised to match spending throughout their term. 

 

As most of that list is general public spending, where would a government under Hague or Howard differed? 

 

(I accept minimum wage would have been a no-no). 

Have you not noticed what the Tories have done over the last nine years?

[Renton 21300]

1 minute ago, NJS said:

The argument against NL bankrupting the economy is quite right pointing out that the tories promised to match spending throughout their term. 

 

As most of that list is general public spending, where would a government under Hague or Howard differed? 

 

(I accept minimum wage would have been a no-no). 

 

Aye, I'm absolutely convinced Hague or Howard would have matched that public spending. Jesus fucking christ. 

[NJS 4371]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

Have you not noticed what the Tories have done over the last nine years?

Of course, but giving 97-07 revenues I don't think they would have differed that much. 

 

The crisis gave them the chance to ultra-cunt up. 

[NJS 4371]

2 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Aye, I'm absolutely convinced Hague or Howard would have matched that public spending. Jesus fucking christ. 

They did promise - now I'm as cynical as you and think they'd have actually have abolished the top rate of tax instead but I don't remember them objecting to much to what Blair did. 

[PaddockLad 17079]

1 hour ago, Renton said:

 

OMG. Soubry votes as if she is a centrist right wing tory! 

Of course she's a cunt, she's a tory, nobody is pretending different. It's all about levels of cuntishness nowadays though. Even a cunt can do good things. 

 

Agreed  They're all utter cunts

 

They're also about 15 years out if date in their thinking, the UK political landscape is vastly different. They want 2 things:

 

1. No brexit

 

2. No Corbyn. 

 

And that's it

 

The political journos will fuckin love them, but I'd suggest it was easier for the SDP to gain some traction nearly 40 years ago than it will be for these. Theres probably going to be an election later this year. I expect half of them to lose their seats in it. 

 

 

[PaddockLad 17079]

25 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

FFS. Not this shit again. Here is a list of 100 progressive things that Blair did that benefitted normal people. Show me a remotely similar list for Major if you can. Absolutely sick of yoy Corbynites trashing the party's recent legacy despite it being massively counterproductive. 

 

http://www.progressonline.org.uk/2010/02/01/labours-100-achievements-for-100-days/

 

 

 

 

The Tories told us all that cost too much money though

[Renton 21300]

5 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

 

Agreed  They're all utter cunts

 

They're also about 15 years out if date in their thinking, the UK political landscape is vastly different. They want 2 things:

 

1. No brexit

 

2. No Corbyn. 

 

And that's it

 

The political journos will fuckin love them, but I'd suggest it was easier for the SDP to gain some traction nearly 40 years ago than it will be for these. Theres probably going to be an election later this year. I expect half of them to lose their seats in it. 

 

 

 

Fully agree. I don't think they really expect the party, if it's ever formed, to go anywhere, or indeed for them to have personal aspirations. It's a desperate attempt to shake things up and to personally disassociate themselves from the disaster heading our way. For the oder ones, they haven't sacrificed much. For the younger ones, like Chuka and Allen, maybe a bit braver. 

Edited February 21, 2019 by Renton

[Dr Gloom 21812]

23 minutes ago, NJS said:

I'm willing to be shot down and I think he's a horrible scouse cunt but I can't see what's wrong with "Jewish people should stand up and oppose the murdering government of Israel". 

Why should Jewish people do anything? Am I responsible for Israeli foreign policy? I detest Netanyahu but I don’t need some Scouse militant twat telling me what I should or shouldn’t be be doing. Being Jewish doesn’t directly connect you to Israel and to suggest otherwise is antisemitic - it’s like saying all Muslims are somehow responsible for Isis atrocities. 

[ewerk 30266]

45 minutes ago, NJS said:

Of course, but giving 97-07 revenues I don't think they would have differed that much. 

 

The crisis gave them the chance to ultra-cunt up. 

Would they fuck. There’s big differences between Labour and Tory ideologies whether you’re at the centre ground of British politics or not.

[Renton 21300]

5 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Would they fuck. There’s big differences between Labour and Tory ideologies whether you’re at the centre ground of British politics or not.

 

It's an unbelievable comment from NJS and why I don't see any point discussing it with him. No matter what empirical evidence to the contrary you offer, he literally believes new labour and the tories were the same. 

[Alex 34846]

32 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Why should Jewish people do anything? Am I responsible for Israeli foreign policy? I detest Netanyahu but I don’t need some Scouse militant twat telling me what I should or shouldn’t be be doing. Being Jewish doesn’t directly connect you to Israel and to suggest otherwise is antisemitic - it’s like saying all Muslims are somehow responsible for Isis atrocities. 

All British people never shut up about how bad it is that weapons the UK sold to the Saudis are used against Yemeni civilians. 

[Renton 21300]

9 minutes ago, Alex said:

All British people never shut up about how bad it is that weapons the UK sold to the Saudis are used against Yemeni civilians. 

 

Reminds me of a group of feminists at uni who put up a poster saying "All men are rapists". Someone had written in large felt tip "except John Smith" at the bottom. 

Edited February 21, 2019 by Renton

[ewerk 30266]

Soubry knows what's up.

 

Edited February 21, 2019 by ewerk

[ewerk 30266]

15 hours ago, ewerk said:

Except he refuses to take a stance on Brexit. He’d fit right in the shadow cabinet.

For your audio visual delight.

 

[Gemmill 44384]

Great, another thick cunt in a position of power. What could possibly go wrong. 

[Ayatollah Hermione 13794]

Bald denier appointed to that position ffs. 

[Renton 21300]

What a tit. Another Labour unicornist. Fuck me, I hope there is a decent independent in this election. 

[Rayvin 5176]

He's clearly a remainer who, with the backing he has received from Momentum, is trying to find a nice way around getting out of the question. Hardly makes him an idiot, just a reflection of Labour's fucking stupid position.

 

What he probably should have said is 'Labour's position on this has been quite clear - we want a Brexit that works for most people, and that includes a customs union. As things stand, I am very opposed to the Brexit options available as I feel that all of them will deliver a bad deal for the North East. I voted to remain in the referendum, but respect the result of the vote as long as it does not cause intense damage to the UK and on working people's lives'.

 

Something like that anyway - but he looks new to this shit.

[Gemmill 44384]

He should tell the truth. 

[Rayvin 5176]

Nobody is telling the truth and he's a junior politician. His career would be over in a heartbeat if he started telling the truth.

[ewerk 30266]

IfRedLabourToldTheTruthForOneDayIt'sWorldWouldFallApart

[Andrew 4718]

4 hours ago, Rayvin said:

He's clearly a remainer who, with the backing he has received from Momentum, is trying to find a nice way around getting out of the question. Hardly makes him an idiot, just a reflection of Labour's fucking stupid position.

 

What he probably should have said is 'Labour's position on this has been quite clear - we want a Brexit that works for most people, and that includes a customs union. As things stand, I am very opposed to the Brexit options available as I feel that all of them will deliver a bad deal for the North East. I voted to remain in the referendum, but respect the result of the vote as long as it does not cause intense damage to the UK and on working people's lives'.

 

Something like that anyway - but he looks new to this shit.

 

He might be new to his particular position but he is an actual professional politician at this point, if you can think of that answer, why can't he?

Edited February 21, 2019 by Andrew

[Rayvin 5176]

1 minute ago, Andrew said:

 

He might be new to his particular position but he is an actual professional politician at this point, if you can think of that answer, why can't he?

 

Well aye but he's a local politician. Also, honestly, I've never rated politicians as being particularly intelligent over and above say, a fair number of us on here. I daresay we could outperform them comfortably.

[Andrew 4718]

2 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Well aye but he's a local politician. Also, honestly, I've never rated politicians as being particularly intelligent over and above say, a fair number of us on here. I daresay we could outperform them comfortably.

 

If any politician goes to speak to literally anyone right now without have a well thought out answer to the inevitable brexit question they're definitely thick.

 

It just so happens a lot of them are.

[Rayvin 5176]

1 minute ago, Andrew said:

 

If any politician goes to speak to literally anyone right now without have a well thought out answer to the inevitable brexit question they're definitely thick.

 

It just so happens a lot of them are.

 

Not going to disagree with that but for all I know that could be his first time in front of the cameras. He seemed to be panicking.