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[ewerk 30611]

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Jeremy Corbyn accused British 'Zionists' of having 'no sense of English irony' despite having 'lived in Britain all of their lives', in comments that have been slammed by Jewish groups as anti-Semitic, MailOnline can reveal.

The remarks were made in 2013, when Corbyn was giving a speech alongside prominent British extremists, at a London conference promoted by the propaganda website of terror group Hamas.

The Labour leader said: '[British Zionists] clearly have two problems. One is they don't want to study history, and secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don't understand English irony either.'

He added: 'They needed two lessons, which we could perhaps help them with.'

 

This shit isn't going anyway.

[Meenzer 15531]

There's 35 years' worth of source material for them to dig into. So no, it's not.

 

Not that the press would be any "nicer" to any other Labour leader, but still, they could consider one who doesn't essentially live in a Sideshow Bob field o' rakes.

[Dr Gloom 21924]

FFS, Corbyn. The state of some of the loonies he’s shared a stage with, from conspiracy theorists, to Holocaust deniers, people who think the British Navy should be bombed and holocaust Memorial Day should be boycotted. I’m surprised he hasn’t appeared on a panel alongside Parky, though perhaps that’s the next skeleton to emerge from his closet.

I still don’t buy into the JC line that he’s an antisemite but the latest comments unearthed in that DM piece are pretty damning.

[ewerk 30611]

It’s essentially saying that Jews aren’t fully British. Against what other minority could you say that and get away with it.

[Alex 35083]

44 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

FFS, Corbyn. The state of some of the loonies he’s shared a stage with, from conspiracy theorists, to Holocaust deniers, people who think the British Navy should be bombed and holocaust Memorial Day should be boycotted. I’m surprised he hasn’t appeared on a panel alongside Parky, though perhaps that’s the next skeleton to emerge from his closet.

I still don’t buy into the JC line that he’s an antisemite but the latest comments unearthed in that DM piece are pretty damning.

[Alex 35083]

3 hours ago, Ayatollah Hermione said:

I cut to the very core of his being so acutely that he’s currently sitting in a fort made of pizza boxes, having to be coaxed out by his Twix-holding daughter. Like a Boldon snake charmer.

Was either that or being reminded he's a fat, little cunt. Or both

[NJS 4386]

1 hour ago, ewerk said:

It’s essentially saying that Jews aren’t fully British. Against what other minority could you say that and get away with it.

A lot of people have said that about other immigrants over the years - see the Windrush stuff as a good example of people being classified as not properly British. 

 

I agree he's a naive idiot on some things but I'd also say that if I understand how full on zionism is then there is an inherent "yearning" to move to Israel and/or consider it the be all and end-all of everything. 

[Gemmill 44885]

Fair play to the Tories like. The day after their no deal papers come out, they set another Corbyn hare running and everyone's distracted.

[ewerk 30611]

Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894]

7 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

 

I’m pretty certain there will e enough Corbyn stories out there to cover every eventuality.

[Dr Gloom 21924]

37 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Fair play to the Tories like. The day after their no deal papers come out, they set another Corbyn hare running and everyone's distracted.

These latest quotes are beyond the pale. Replace Jew with any other ethnic minority and those quotes sound bloody terrible 

[ewerk 30611]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45301548

 

Wasn’t his fault, guv.

[ewerk 30611]

At what point does he just blame the Jews controlling the media?

[Rayvin 5223]

2 hours ago, ewerk said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45301548

 

Wasn’t his fault, guv.

 

Humour me - at what point did Zionist = Jew?

[PaddockLad 17269]

6 hours ago, Rayvin said:

 

Humour me - at what point did Zionist = Jew?

 

I have no idea...are their any soecific uk groups that identify themselves as “Zionist”?  

[ewerk 30611]

7 hours ago, Rayvin said:

 

Humour me - at what point did Zionist = Jew?

90% of British Jews are zionists. It doesn’t take a genius to realise that once again he shouldn’t have said what he said or did what he did.

[Rayvin 5223]

Yeah that doesn't cut it. If 90% of Muslims identified as extremists, would that mean he couldn't say the things he said with the label 'extremists'? (I'm not conflating the severity of the two, although I guess some would).

 

Zionism is a political ideology, not a race. People choose to be zionists. Which is why there are also anti-Zionist Jews.

 

1 hour ago, PaddockLad said:

 

I have no idea...are their any soecific uk groups that identify themselves as “Zionist”?  

 

https://zionist.org.uk/

Edited August 25, 2018 by Rayvin

[ewerk 30611]

:sigh: 

[Rayvin 5223]

41 minutes ago, ewerk said:

:sigh: 

 

QFT.

[Meenzer 15531]

4 hours ago, Rayvin said:

Yeah that doesn't cut it. If 90% of Muslims identified as extremists, would that mean he couldn't say the things he said with the label 'extremists'? (I'm not conflating the severity of the two, although I guess some would).

 

The question is moot because that would require Corbyn to say something bad about Muslims.

 

(Adding a safety wink but also, well.)

[adios 717]

4 hours ago, Rayvin said:

https://zionist.org.uk/

 

TBF that website looks pretty commercial more than political (careful now!) so I'm not sure it answers the spirit of the question.

 

Ultimately though, Zionism itself is a complex subject.  It's not like saying Muslim vs Wahhabist.  It's a perfectly reasonable position to support Israel's continued existence in some form, whereas supporting the current regime and all of its actions is a much different proposition.

 

I doubt 90% of British Jews fall into the latter category.

 

4 hours ago, ewerk said:

:sigh: 

Go on.

[Rayvin 5223]

2 hours ago, adios said:

TBF that website looks pretty commercial more than political (careful now!) so I'm not sure it answers the spirit of the question.

 

Ultimately though, Zionism itself is a complex subject.  It's not like saying Muslim vs Wahhabist.  It's a perfectly reasonable position to support Israel's continued existence in some form, whereas supporting the current regime and all of its actions is a much different proposition.

 

I doubt 90% of British Jews fall into the latter category.

 

Go on.

 

It may be a reasonable position to hold, but I'm not sure that taking issue with how Israel was formed is an antisemitic proposition, even if received wisdom would be that this is an 'unreasonable' contention.

[adios 717]

I thought the point being argued was that Corbyn went after all British Zionists with his comments and therefore loosely (if my definition and @ewerk's figure are correct) the entire British-Jewish population.

[ewerk 30611]

At best it was a poor choice of language. At worst it’s anti-semitism.

Could his refusal to adopt the full IHRA code be because some of it would see himself be thrown out of the party should evidence come to light?

[Rayvin 5223]

1 hour ago, adios said:

I thought the point being argued was that Corbyn went after all British Zionists with his comments and therefore loosely (if my definition and @ewerk's figure are correct) the entire British-Jewish population.

 

It's a political ideology backed by a large number of a particular religion. I accept that there is an almost race like status around Judiasm but it remains an 'ism'.

 

Corbyn regularly holds council with anti-zionist Jewish people so i think it's safe to assume that his interests and categorisations are political rather than racial.

 

17 minutes ago, ewerk said:

At best it was a poor choice of language. At worst it’s anti-semitism.

Could his refusal to adopt the full IHRA code be because some of it would see himself be thrown out of the party should evidence come to light?

 

It all feels like a premise for the establishment of the centrist party which will undoubtedly ensure Tory dominance going forward.

 

But whatever. If i read something clearly anti Semitic from Corbyn then fair enough, but Anti Zionist isn't the same thing. I mean think it through ffs. If Zionist = Jew you wouldn't need both words.