Renton 21286 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Also this myth about it being the labour heartlands voting Brexit, when we all know Brexit is mainly a conservative phenomenon. Bridget phillipson is vocally anti-brexit. I would bet my house she is re-elected (although not if they found out she isn't a MLF). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Alex said: Ironically I think the Tories could've destroyed Labour by adopting that but they're balls deep into making Brexit appear as hard as possible with their 'will of the people' bullshit and the travesty is labour are going along with it, and, by extension, facilitating the whole fucking charade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34832 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Meenz made the point too about identifying areas as Brexit / Remain is a mistake when it's more nuanced. Also, can't see staunch Labour areas in the North going blue and UKIP are an irrelevance in terms of votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted May 21, 2018 Author Share Posted May 21, 2018 I must admit I think the pendulum has swung back in Brexits favour. I was getting a bit frustrated a week or two ago, but now the backstop seems to be agreed, it’s all systems go. Harping on about hard Brexit is pointless as nobody wants it and there is no majority for it. Once again dogged Theresa seems to have reeled in the likes of Boris and is heading for a 3rd consecutive EU agreement that puts the Irish issue to bed until long after we’ve left. Even the 12 or so Tory rebels are fairly happy with the new backstop. I think once she gets the actual deal agreed she will find herself with a very pleasing Brexit package that most Labour MP’s can get behind and it will sail through parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30257 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Nothing has been agreed on the backstop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 CT is on superb form with Brexit recently, it has to be said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30257 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 He's trying too hard IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 i don't want to think about the prime minister being pleased by any packages, thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30257 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Another one of those cracking trade deals in the pipeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34832 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 It's almost like we have less bargaining power. Just a good thing most countries love us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21286 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said: I must admit I think the pendulum has swung back in Brexits favour. I was getting a bit frustrated a week or two ago, but now the backstop seems to be agreed, it’s all systems go. Harping on about hard Brexit is pointless as nobody wants it and there is no majority for it. Once again dogged Theresa seems to have reeled in the likes of Boris and is heading for a 3rd consecutive EU agreement that puts the Irish issue to bed until long after we’ve left. Even the 12 or so Tory rebels are fairly happy with the new backstop. I think once she gets the actual deal agreed she will find herself with a very pleasing Brexit package that most Labour MP’s can get behind and it will sail through parliament. The backstop is staying in the SM and CU you plumb. Arlene seemed to be getting her knickers in a twist today btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30257 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) I can't see the EU agreeing to a backstop that keeps the entire UK aligned to the SM and CU. Edited May 21, 2018 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21286 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, ewerk said: I can't see the EU agreeing to a backstop that keeps the entire UK aligned to the SM and CU. Well what gives then? We have a clear agreement that there will be no border infrastructure, not even cameras. The government need the DUP who will never accept a wet border. The choice between these mutually incompatible choices (and the red lines) is binary. Either stay completely aligned, or renege and crash. Do you think the latter will happen? Edited May 21, 2018 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21286 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Also, rereading, why would the EU object to a UK wide backstop that was essentially Norway plus? It'd be the perfect outcome for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted May 21, 2018 Author Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Renton said: The backstop is staying in the SM and CU you plumb. No it’s not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21286 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: No it’s not. Go on then, explain what you think the backstop (which allows completely frictionless movement of people and goods with no infrastructure) is, with references please. Humour me. Edited May 21, 2018 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21812 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Please don’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30257 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Renton said: Also, rereading, why would the EU object to a UK wide backstop that was essentially Norway plus? It'd be the perfect outcome for them. Because it preempts trade talks. Basically giving the UK access for goods into the SM without any of the requirements to make budgetary contributions or accept FOM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34832 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said: No it’s not. Oh yes it is! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30257 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I don’t see how the government can claim that the backstop will only apply for a few months. It isn’t like the solution will magically appear in that timescale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21286 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, ewerk said: Because it preempts trade talks. Basically giving the UK access for goods into the SM without any of the requirements to make budgetary contributions or accept FOM. No reason they can't demand budgetary contributions and FOM during the transition, in fact I thought this was pretty much agreed. We're in no position to say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21286 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, ewerk said: I don’t see how the government can claim that the backstop will only apply for a few months. It isn’t like the solution will magically appear in that timescale. Aye. Even if the perfect technology is invented, it simply won't work. How will it stop smuggling, fraud, or allow for phytosanitary checks? It's a problem that won't go away, ever. People will get so sick of it. The demographics will have changed so that a clear majority will want back in. Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Renton said: Aye. Even if the perfect technology is invented, it simply won't work. How will it stop smuggling, fraud, or allow for phytosanitary checks? It's a problem that won't go away, ever. People will get so sick of it. The demographics will have changed so that a clear majority will want back in. Madness. No one is worried about a tiny amount of smuggling across a very open border. It will just be dealt with by police rather than customs. As people see that Brexit has happened and the world hasn’t stopped, investment in the U.K. is growing, the economy is rising and the New Tory PM is splashing preelection bribes around, nobody will want to revisit EU membership. Its over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 And imagine if it’s Ruth Davidson v Corbyn? Goodnight Vienna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44360 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Shut up man, fat cunt. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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