Christmas Tree 4685 Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 7 hours ago, Gemmill said: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/0199283273/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1507437376&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=david+harvey Have a read of that book, CT. I think you'll find it interesting and it'll be genuinely eye opening. Apparently according to the comments, it’s very good in pointing out the problems but less good on solutions. I think most people would agree that the current system has its faults, but as yet I’ve heard very little about any other system working better or how a UK government could implement such unilaterally (never mind within the EU). Unfortunately I think the solutions to most people’s concerns would fade away if politicians would put some long term policies in place regarding housing and productivity. The Tories are currently a fag end government and I have no faith in McDonnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21272 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Apparently according to the comments, it’s very good in pointing out the problems but less good on solutions. I think most people would agree that the current system has its faults, but as yet I’ve heard very little about any other system working better or how a UK government could implement such unilaterally (never mind within the EU). Unfortunately I think the solutions to most people’s concerns would fade away if politicians would put some long term policies in place regarding housing and productivity. The Tories are currently a fag end government and I have no faith in McDonnel. Well maybe the answer you are looking for is actually in EU sovereign states themselves (we have complete fiscal sovereignty so I don't know why you are implying the EU can stop us implementing any policy we choose). What is wrong with a Scandinavian type democracy? They punch above their Wright economically and studies repeatedly show they are happier than UK citizens, despite worse weather, less winter sun, and eye watering beer prices. Oh yeah, they have high taxes and big government, an anathema to people like yourself who crave a US system of personal liberty and fuck the consequences for society. That's the issue in reality, Thatcher destroyed social conscience and we are left to live with the consequences. Edited October 8, 2017 by Renton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Renton said: Well maybe the answer you are looking for is actually in EU sovereign states themselves (we have complete fiscal sovereignty so I don't know why you are implying the EU can stop us implementing any policy we choose). What is wrong with a Scandinavian type democracy? They punch above their Wright economically and studies repeatedly show they are happier than UK citizens, despite worse weather, less winter sun, and eye watering beer prices. Oh yeah, they have high taxes and big government, an anathema to people like yourself who crave a US system of personal liberty and fuck the consequences for society. That's the issue in reality, Thatcher destroyed social conscience and we are left to live with the consequences. I don’t know a lot about the Nordic model but from what I’ve read their religion plays a large part in allowing it to work and a lot of people say it would be very hard to scale up to a country of our size. Have any U.K. parties advocated implementing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21272 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said: I don’t know a lot about the Nordic model but from what I’ve read their religion plays a large part in allowing it to work and a lot of people say it would be very hard to scale up to a country of our size. Have any U.K. parties advocated implementing it? Well no, besides the likes of Corbyn. Because it isn't feasible with our great free press, because it doesn't serve the masters very well. If it was possible, would you support it? I doubt it because looking back over old posts you were boasting about taxi-ing being great cos it's so easy to evade tax. That type of mindset is against the nordic model. And before you ask, no, im not going to dig up your quote wiithout a further pladge to the SBR foundation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Renton said: Well no, besides the likes of Corbyn. Because it isn't feasible with our great free press, because it doesn't serve the masters very well. If it was possible, would you support it? I doubt it because looking back over old posts you were boasting about taxi-ing being great cos it's so easy to evade tax. That type of mindset is against the nordic model. And before you ask, no, im not going to dig up your quote wiithout a further pladge to the SBR foundation. Im all for anything that works. I still believe that most of the main gripes out there can be solved with better policies under the current system. Maybe PR is the way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15392 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 We simply cannot deal with consensus politics in this country. It's a big old game that you either win or lose, and that's it. You of all people must appreciate that. If we did ever get PR then, god forbid, we might actually have to grow up a bit as a nation. So, no, not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 If you have PR nothing ever gets done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Benevolent dictatorship ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Best for all really. Save a fuck load of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44343 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The IMF has singled Britain out as a "notable exception" to an improving global economic outlook..... Tories crushing it on the economy. Well played, lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I fucking hate the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 Just a wave of depreciation and inflation washing through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44343 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Just a wave of depreciation and inflation washing through. Are we talking about your underpants here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21811 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 BAU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15392 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Bit breezy on Barbuda lately, but at least their washing will have dried quickly. Think positive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44343 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I love how she does what can only be described as a panic dry retch face when he asks how she would vote. She is fucking beyond shit at this job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15392 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Thus: So glad we took back control of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30243 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 9 hours ago, Gemmill said: I love how she does what can only be described as a panic dry retch face when he asks how she would vote. She is fucking beyond shit at this job. Aside from her natural awkwardness and the fact that she should have been prepared for that question I think she did okay. She can't answer it honestly so rejects the premise of the question, it's a fair enough approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Hunt answered it 'honestly'. I don't think that helped her case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30243 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Jeremy Hunt is one of the worst people on the planet though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30243 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 TM obviously keeping her position under wraps before the next referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) I wonder if that does play into her thinking. It was a good question actually, one that forces her on the backfoot a bit concerning the criticism she's been getting from the rabid back benchers. One thing I don't quite get in all of this is why she is hostage to these fuckwits? Aren't there only about 50 of them? Edited October 11, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30243 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 More than enough to bring her government down and that's what this is all about, holding on to power at any cost. If she'd any sort of backbone in her she'd announce a second referendum and walk away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19880 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I saw a funny online yesterday. Pic of May on the phone and a caption saying 'Hello Sky, I want to cancel my subscription but keep all my channels, The balls is in your court, over to you' Or something along them lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30243 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) I was just about to post it. Edited October 11, 2017 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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