Rayvin 5572 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 The mail ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22513 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22401 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) I watched the highlights of the speech and the stunt yesterday and thought it was brilliant, perfectly orchestrated. Best part was seeing Johnson squirming in discomfort.  Funny how all these Tories are so outraged and have turned into snowflakes all of a sudden. If this had happened to Corbyn, would they still have this faux outrage?  Still, it was perfect symbolism really. May accepts the P45, going along with the script after she had just admitted she was too scripted. She then loses her voice, thus being unable to communicate as well as looking incompetent. And finally, in an ending that could not be more perfect, her stage collapses behind her leaving a message that is pure gobbledygook.  As the odious Littlejohn often proclaimed "You couldn't make it up". Edited October 5, 2017 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Just thinking to myself - what if the Tories gave up on Brexit and campaigned for a second referendum - and Labour stuck with it. What would the Daily Mail do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 More proof of the coming of the inevitable from the Legatum Institute here (a thinktank committed to the principle of free enterprise / Neoliberalism). Â Even Tory voting British people think we should be nationalising public services... Â http://www.li.com/activities/publications/public-opinion-in-the-post-brexit-era-economic-attitudes-in-modern-britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 42 minutes ago, Rayvin said: More proof of the coming of the inevitable from the Legatum Institute here (a thinktank committed to the principle of free enterprise / Neoliberalism).  Even Tory voting British people think we should be nationalising public services...  http://www.li.com/activities/publications/public-opinion-in-the-post-brexit-era-economic-attitudes-in-modern-britain  Just don’t understand this one. Most nationalised industries were shit.  Re-nationalising would see massive hikes in pay as the staff became public sector workers, more strikes due to much bigger union input and a return to under investment as these new nationalised industries had to compete with the NHS etc for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22513 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) The money that currently goes to shareholders would be pumped back into the service. That's the main principle of nationalised industry. Public services owned by the people, cutting out the profit motive.  I'm too young to really remember what state-run trains were like but it couldn't have been worse than today. My line is Southern, incidentally.  And I'm pretty sure it wasn't cheaper to fly from London to Newquay than take the train, like it is today.  plus you have the safety net of centralised service instead of a network of competing halfwits running the various rail franchises. I don't see the downside in privatising rail at all. Edited October 5, 2017 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15848 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Unions are known for crippling productivity. Just ask the Germans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: The money that currently goes to shareholders would be pumped back into the service. That's the main principle of national industry. Public services owned by the people, cutting out the profit motive.  I'm too young to really remember what state-run trains were like but it couldn't have been worse than today. My line is Southern, incidentally.  And I'm pretty sure it wasn't cheaper to fly from London to Newquay than take the train, like it is today.  plus you have the safety net of centralised service instead of a network of competing halfwits running the various rail franchises. I don't see the downside in privatising rail at all.  Basically due to the points I listed they wouldn’t make any profits. It also becomes too tempting for MP’s to solve an NHS / School crisis than decide to plan ahead and renew gas pipes etc.  Southern seems to be a basket case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, Meenzer said: Unions are known for crippling productivity. Just ask the Germans. Â Where nothing like Germany and would be even less so under a socialist government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 4069 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Â Where nothing like Germany and would be even less so under a socialist government. Â Just fucking die you know nothing cunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31587 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Indepth political analysis there from a man who doesn't know the difference between 'where' and 'we're'. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22513 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 oh, ct   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35915 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 45 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:  Just don’t understand this one. Most nationalised industries were shit.  Re-nationalising would see massive hikes in pay as the staff became public sector workers, more strikes due to much bigger union input and a return to under investment as these new nationalised industries had to compete with the NHS etc for money. Like when the East Coast mainline was profitable when it went back into public ownership? Just thought I'd quote an example as you didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35915 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 15 minutes ago, ewerk said: Indepth political analysis there from a man who doesn't know the difference between 'where' and 'we're'. Â Stop been nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35915 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 33 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:  Basically due to the points I listed they wouldn’t make any profits. It also becomes too tempting for MP’s to solve an NHS / School crisis than decide to plan ahead and renew gas pipes etc.  Southern seems to be a basket case. Southern Rail being a basket case under private ownership is a brilliant argument for not nationalising it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4446 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 I remember British Gas making 4bn profit before privatisation and this was when 4bn was a lot of money.  BT were the same and that's before I mention the bitch seriously damaging this country by preventing them from using fibre for corrupt reasons.  But of course British Leyland were a bit shit so CT's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22513 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 11 minutes ago, NJS said: I remember British Gas making 4bn profit before privatisation and this was when 4bn was a lot of money.  BT were the same and that's before I mention the bitch seriously damaging this country by preventing them from using fibre for corrupt reasons.  But of course British Leyland were a bit shit so CT's right.  what, the unions didn't destroy all their profits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Alex said: Like when the East Coast mainline was profitable when it went back into public ownership? Just thought I'd quote an example as you didn't. Â Although under public ownership it was run more like a franchise with no change to staff wages etc. Also during that period it was free from having to invest in rolling stock / infrastructure. Then add to this the fact that people think fares will be cheaper. Goodbye profits. Â I have nothing against the idea from a dogma point of view only the evidence of history of how badly all UK governments run and funded these companies in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Alex said: Like when the East Coast mainline was profitable when it went back into public ownership? Just thought I'd quote an example as you didn't. Â Although under public ownership it was run more like a franchise with no change to staff wages etc. Also during that period it was free from having to invest in rolling stock / infrastructure. Then add to this the fact that people think fares will be cheaper. Goodbye profits. Â I have nothing against the idea from a dogma point of view only the evidence of history of how badly all UK governments run and funded these companies in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Alex said: Southern Rail being a basket case under private ownership is a brilliant argument for not nationalising it. Â It was more of a remark about why someone who uses it would probably feel more inclined to the promised land of privatisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35915 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Oh, he's replying to me now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35915 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: Â It was more of a remark about why someone who uses it would probably feel more inclined to the promised land of privatisation. You think people who use Southern Rail think privatisation is a promised land? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22513 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 its quite simple to me. Free markets and public services don't mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, NJS said: I remember British Gas making 4bn profit before privatisation and this was when 4bn was a lot of money.  BT were the same and that's before I mention the bitch seriously damaging this country by preventing them from using fibre for corrupt reasons.  But of course British Leyland were a bit shit so CT's right.  I think you have rose tinted glasses on  If yount be bothered to read (which I strongly suggest), skip down to the conclusion.  http://www.cps.org.uk/publications/the-performance-of-privatisation-vol-ii-privatisation-and-its-effect-on-the-exchequer/#  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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