Craig 6700 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 It's why there's been no leadership contest - no-one in the Tory party wants to be the leader who delivers Brexit so they're all happy for May to take the flak. Spineless tossers, the lot of them! Just as in 1992, Labour are stronger for NOT winning this time. Next GE (whenever that may be) I expect them to win comfortably. And the nearer to 2022 it is, the bigger the majority I'd be willing to bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22513 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 johnson has come out and said as much - that he won't run or leader until brexit negotiations are completed, the gutless turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22513 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 it's official: we're getting poorer again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31587 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 We may be poor but we're FREE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Which is, rather aptly, all you can afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, adios said: Which is, rather aptly, all you can afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31587 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 15 minutes ago, adios said: Which is, rather aptly, all you can afford. Paid off your bail out money yet? Third world, free state povo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I do owe the government quite a bit of cash too as it happens. Thank you for your generosity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14229 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: it's official: we're getting poorer again My bus fare has went up 10p as well. That's an extra quid a week I'm shelling out and that's money I could spend on Frisps or pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted July 6, 2017 Author Share Posted July 6, 2017 23 hours ago, Craig said: It's why there's been no leadership contest - no-one in the Tory party wants to be the leader who delivers Brexit so they're all happy for May to take the flak. Spineless tossers, the lot of them! Just as in 1992, Labour are stronger for NOT winning this time. Next GE (whenever that may be) I expect them to win comfortably. And the nearer to 2022 it is, the bigger the majority I'd be willing to bet. Tories just have to hold their nerve til the labour centre splits off. Shouldn't be long now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35915 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 21 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Tories just have to hold their nerve til the labour centre splits off. Shouldn't be long now. Actually, that's the one thing I don't think will happen now, and represents the one area that I think most people would agree represents a full victory for Corbyn. Maybe in another 5 years, if the Corbynite left doesn't relinquish control after another election loss, but not now. Also, it's the Labour right you're talking about - they're in the general centre, but they're not the Labour centre. There's no guarantee at all that the Labour centre would follow the Labour right if they did break off. I don't believe there'll be another election loss for Corbyn either. The Tories have nowhere to go and the longer they're in power, the more likely they are to be exposed to the failings of austerity and Brexit. They need an absolute visionary to come forward at this point, if they're going to turn this around. I understand Jacob Rees Mogg and Boris Johnson are frontrunners - a long way from being good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35915 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 They're fucking hilarious on HIGNFY, man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I read this morning that Rees Mogg has had his sixth child. Named it Sixtus. That's the kind of person we're talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35915 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Aye, I saw that. Confirms my previous point tbh. I bet he wears bright red socks and stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 It's as unimaginative a name as it is pretentious. It's everything the Tory party stand for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31587 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Someone on Twitter was making the point yesterday to not portray Rees Mogg as a lovable eccentric given what it has done for Johnson's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted July 6, 2017 Author Share Posted July 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Actually, that's the one thing I don't think will happen now, and represents the one area that I think most people would agree represents a full victory for Corbyn. Maybe in another 5 years, if the Corbynite left doesn't relinquish control after another election loss, but not now. Also, it's the Labour right you're talking about - they're in the general centre, but they're not the Labour centre. There's no guarantee at all that the Labour centre would follow the Labour right if they did break off. I don't believe there'll be another election loss for Corbyn either. The Tories have nowhere to go and the longer they're in power, the more likely they are to be exposed to the failings of austerity and Brexit. They need an absolute visionary to come forward at this point, if they're going to turn this around. I understand Jacob Rees Mogg and Boris Johnson are frontrunners - a long way from being good enough. Momentum have already started post election to try and pick off the non believers. They will have no other choice than to split off or be deselected. Would love JRM to stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I have mixed feelings on de-selections, but the outcomes aren't necessarily the same as splitting off. It's not like those being deselected would be poised to become a separate political entity. If they did leave to form a new party under that basis, they'd be doing so from a position of weakness and would be little to no threat by the next election (especially if it's another head to head between the main parties, as I think is likely). I have to say, I thought Labour were dead for all I agreed with the strategy. However, May has proven more incompetent than I thought and allowed Corbyn the legitimacy to mould the party. I think Renton highlighted a comment from a Tory insider the other day stating that 'Corbyn is the only thing keeping the Tories together'. That's fear - they really don't want Corbyn in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 @Christmas Tree , please change your avatar as from a distance it resembles @Rayvin's and I click the topic half expecting an intelligent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31587 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 And then you find out the last post was by @Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 My point stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) They are quite similar at a glance. Do you cycle CT? Or did you find that while metal detecting? Edited July 6, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted July 6, 2017 Author Share Posted July 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: They are quite similar at a glance. Do you cycle CT? Or did you find that while metal detecting? 'twas a 3 week, 3 bike fleeting hobby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted July 6, 2017 Author Share Posted July 6, 2017 16 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I have mixed feelings on de-selections, but the outcomes aren't necessarily the same as splitting off. It's not like those being deselected would be poised to become a separate political entity. If they did leave to form a new party under that basis, they'd be doing so from a position of weakness and would be little to no threat by the next election (especially if it's another head to head between the main parties, as I think is likely). I have to say, I thought Labour were dead for all I agreed with the strategy. However, May has proven more incompetent than I thought and allowed Corbyn the legitimacy to mould the party. I think Renton highlighted a comment from a Tory insider the other day stating that 'Corbyn is the only thing keeping the Tories together'. That's fear - they really don't want Corbyn in. The point is whether the split off whilst still MP's BEFORE momentum has the chance to sack them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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