Politics

[Rayvin 5170]

How is this not getting more coverage? It's an absolute scandal:

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/792112/Marine-Le-Pen-French-election-votes-computer-Emmanuel-Macron

 

Basically the French have issued duplicate polling cards to 500,000 people living outside of France. Which means they get to vote twice. And they're just going to let it stand.

 

I mean, as much as anything that staves off Le Pen is a good thing, this is dubious as fuck.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Rayvin

[ewerk 30235]

FFS, the state of the Express. They know what their sexually frustrated readers want.

 

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BREASTS

[Rayvin 5170]

 

Very true.

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BREASTS

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39641822/why-gay-french-men-are-voting-far-right

 

A refreshing rejection of identity politics.

[Rayvin 5170]

Funny how when the right uses identity politics, the right runs rampant... and equally when the left uses identity politics, the right runs rampant. There's a lesson in there somewhere but fuck knows if any centre left politician will ever grasp it.

[Meenzer 15384]

Is it

 

 

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[Happy Face 29]

I'm on board with Parky.

 

He overestimates Bregret, but the banks have told May she has to sort this shit out. Open a door for a party or coalition that will reverse brexit.

 

The only people standing in their way are Corbyn and the British public. Can't trust those fucking mugs.

I was being daft, but dodging debates and interviews, two major resignations and plans announced for increasing tax and foreign aid. They're doing their best to put supporters off them aren't they.

[NJS 4369]

I was being daft, but dodging debates and interviews, two major resignations and plans announced for increasing tax and foreign aid. They're doing their best to put supporters off them aren't they.

Going all Renton, a decent leader would have had a field day with her antics so far.

[Renton 21253]

Going all Renton, a decent leader would have had a field day with her antics so far.

 

Truth is, they can do what they want. They literally have no electable opposition now. 

[Rayvin 5170]

Macron and Le Pen both through to the final run off in France. Sounds Like Macron should win convincingly.

 

That said, she seems to have won the most votes in the first round.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3809]

Macron and Le Pen both through to the final run off in France. Sounds Like Macron should win convincingly.

 

 

 

That said, she seems to have won the most votes in the first round.

She has no right wing challenger Macron will pick up all the non racist cunt votes in the 2nd round.

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A majority of Fillon votes will go to him, as will any of Mélenchon's who vote at all.

 

Should be comfortable enough.

[Dr Gloom 21807]

Should be comfortable. Don't rule her out though. A lot of the working class former socialist voters will vote Le Pen - it's not just the racists. She's softened their image considerably.

[Rayvin 5170]

So we have the far right and an independent who has never run for election before.

 

Another kicking for the establishment, really. Both of France's main parties ejected at the first round. For the first time since WW2.

[Rayvin 5170]

Should be comfortable. Don't rule her out though. A lot of the working class former socialist voters will vote Le Pen - it's not just the racists. She's softened their image considerably.

Maybe some of the extreme left-wing guy's votes will go her way. Depends on the extent to which left vs right wing politics is still relevant I suppose.

[Dr Gloom 21807]

Her plans to increase benefits and invest in infrastructure will appeal to a lot of normal, poor people, those who might have voted socialist. I think it's going to be a lot tighter than people think. Though hopefully there are enough people to rally around macron.

 

He does represent everything you think has failed though. Very similar story to Clinton v trump

[Rayvin 5170]

Her plans to increase benefits and invest in infrastructure will appeal to a lot of normal, poor people, those who might have voted socialist. I think it's going to be a lot tighter than people think. Though hopefully there are enough people to rally around macron.

 

He does represent everything you think has failed though. Very similar story to Clinton v trump

I both agree and disagree with that last statement. Well actually probably more agree than not. It seems as though Hollande has correctly identified the mood of the country and picked Macron (handpicked, apparently) to be his successor, even if it means playing outside of the party line. It's actually refreshing to see that kind of thing as it suggests that politicians in France are actually concerned about France, rather than their own party.

 

But yes, he's a neolib through and through. But if he has popular support while claiming to be an outsider who can shake things up, it means that the establishment has realised it has to play a different game now.

 

That said, if he continues with the same policies I expect this is just an exercise in kicking the can down the road. Hopefully he's someone of substance who can actually improve people's lives.

Edited April 24, 2017 by Rayvin

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

Macron's bird is nearly double his age.

 

#grannyshagger

[Dr Gloom 21807]

I both agree and disagree with that last statement. Well actually probably more agree than not. It seems as though Hollande has correctly identified the mood of the country and picked Macron (handpicked, apparently) to be his successor, even if it means playing outside of the party line. It's actually refreshing to see that kind of thing as it suggests that politicians in France are actually concerned about France, rather than their own party.

 

But yes, he's a neolib through and through. But if he has popular support while claiming to be an outsider who can shake things up, it means that the establishment has realised it has to play a different game now.

 

That said, if he continues with the same policies I expect this is just an exercise in kicking the can down the road. Hopefully he's someone of substance who can actually improve people's lives.

Macron is about as establishment as you get. A middle of the road centrist. The only thing separating him from the rest is he's an independent.

[Rayvin 5170]

Macron is about as establishment as you get. A middle of the road centrist. The only thing separating him from the rest is he's an independent.

 

Centre doesn't always means establishment - establishment is the same tired political parties in the same battles with the same policies. In fairness I know nothing about Macron's policies but it does sound like more of the same.

[Dr Gloom 21807]

Centre doesn't always means establishment - establishment is the same tired political parties in the same battles with the same policies. In fairness I know nothing about Macron's policies but it does sound like more of the same.

 

he's as establishment as they come, hence why markets have rallied this morning. investors were shitting it at the prospect of melenchon v le pen in the run off - two anti-globalist, protectionist, anti euro/EU leaders. either of those winning power and suddenly the entire EU project is looking in big trouble. 

 

instead we've got macron for sensible voters to hopefully rally around to keep le pen out. macron has promised fiscal discipline, labour market reforms in favour of business, rather than the worker. he was economy minister under hollande, so there is no big break from the past if he gets in power. 

[Rayvin 5170]

he's as establishment as they come, hence why markets have rallied this morning. investors were shitting it at the prospect of melenchon v le pen in the run off - two anti-globalist, protectionist, anti euro/EU leaders. either of those winning power and suddenly the entire EU project is looking in big trouble. 

 

instead we've got macron for sensible voters to hopefully rally around to keep le pen out. macron has promised fiscal discipline, labour market reforms in favour of business, rather than the worker. he was economy minister under hollande, so there is no big break from the past if he gets in power. 

 

Then we're going to be re-running this scenario in 5 years time. But I guess it keeps the EU going for a bit at least. Maybe we can sort our own problems out by then and be in a stronger position when the inevitable does come to pass.

Edited April 24, 2017 by Rayvin

[Dr Gloom 21807]

Le Pen is apparently targeting the next election as the one where she might be favourite. She has a big chance this time though. It's going to be close