Politics

[Rayvin 5170]

Doesn't matter about Corby the perception on the doorstep will be about recourse against a hard Brexit.

 

He does need to pick that up though, as Labour will be an absolute irrelevance otherwise. How can they pick votes up if they're talking past people? Would a remainer vote for Labour if Corbyn's view is that he's happy to just head in the direction we're going, but has a bone to pick on many other issues? I doubt it. Even I wouldn't vote Labour on that basis.

[Rayvin 5170]

Aaron Banks himself is going to stand to be an MP... 

[rogerbarton 24]

Labour are between a rock and a hard place. Tories will campaign on the hard Brexit they've already set out. Lib Dems will campaign on reversing it. Labour don't know what their stance should be and, quite frankly, I'm f*cked if I know what they should do either.

 

I think the Tories will clean up in middle England and possibly beyond, to the extent they might start making inroads into parts of the north where it would have seemed inconceivable even in 2015.

 

Where I think it'll be more interesting is in south, where I think the Lib Dems could claw back some of the seats they lost in 2015, but might well attract a lot of disgruntled natural Tory voters worried about the economic impact of Brexit.

 

As a Labour supporter who never backed Corbyn or Brexit, I'm personally thinking that this was probably an unwinnable election given the circumstances anyway and hoping there can be a rebuild job after the 'experiment'. 

[Park Life 71]

He does need to pick that up though, as Labour will be an absolute irrelevance otherwise. How can they pick votes up if they're talking past people? Would a remainer vote for Labour if Corbyn's view is that he's happy to just head in the direction we're going, but has a bone to pick on many other issues? I doubt it. Even I wouldn't vote Labour on that basis.

Remember the Lib Dems will squeeze the Tories from the other side. I agree with you....Corby and Co must come out and make it about resisting Hard Brexit.

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

She doesn't need to. He's giving it away

 

 

That's true I suppose.

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

 

http://newsthump.com/2017/04/18/theresa-may-announces-snap-annihilation-of-the-labour-party/

[Rayvin 5170]

Labour are between a rock and a hard place. Tories will campaign on the hard Brexit they've already set out. Lib Dems will campaign on reversing it. Labour don't know what their stance should be and, quite frankly, I'm f*cked if I know what they should do either.

 

I think the Tories will clean up in middle England and possibly beyond, to the extent they might start making inroads into parts of the north where it would have seemed inconceivable even in 2015.

 

Where I think it'll be more interesting is in south, where I think the Lib Dems could claw back some of the seats they lost in 2015, but might well attract a lot of disgruntled natural Tory voters worried about the economic impact of Brexit.

 

As a Labour supporter who never backed Corbyn or Brexit, I'm personally thinking that this was probably an unwinnable election given the circumstances anyway and hoping there can be a rebuild job after the 'experiment'. 

 

I think Labour's position is going to have to be making a case for working people from a position of staying in the single market. Since they're such strong proponents of immigration, this should be possible. Now, they'll lose the working class on this for certain, but with luck, most of them will go to UKIP in seats that Labour win anyway.

Edited April 18, 2017 by Rayvin

[Rayvin 5170]

Remember the Lib Dems will squeeze the Tories from the other side. I agree with you....Corby and Co must come out and make it about resisting Hard Brexit.

 

We're absolutely going to be relying on the Lib Dems here.

[Meenzer 15384]

Remember the Lib Dems will squeeze the Tories from the other side. I agree with you....Corby and Co must come out and make it about resisting Hard Brexit.

 

Which isn't going to happen because Corbyn has no interest in resisting Hard Brexit.

[wykikitoon 19875]

[Rayvin 5170]

Which isn't going to happen because Corbyn has no interest in resisting Hard Brexit.

 

Corbyn wants immigration, surely he'd be more in favour of soft?

[Dr Gloom 21807]

the one hope corbyn had was the next election was scheduled for right after the date when we're due to have agreed a deal and left the EU. so if may had ballsed it up negotiations with a cliff edge/WTO rules scenario, he would have stood a chance in the election. another reason why this is a smart tactical play. 

[Rayvin 5170]

It's not a perfect tactical play though, there is risk to May. If they make it a single issue election (as it seems to be) she's counting presumably on being able to carry a majority without worrying about the other parties. But if they all pool their ideas and contest this almost as one, she'd have a problem on her hands.

[Park Life 71]

This is going to backfire. Mark my words. Fabian and Euro consensus think tanks will start to reconfigure Labour over the next weeks. I will fly in tomorrow.

Edited April 18, 2017 by Park Life

[Rayvin 5170]

UKIP's statement makes it sound like they didn't want this.

[Meenzer 15384]

There's no incentive for a gradually recovering Lib Dem party to let themselves be tarnished by any association with Corbyn.

[Park Life 71]

The polls will narrow.

[Dr Gloom 21807]

It's not a perfect tactical play though, there is risk to May. If they make it a single issue election (as it seems to be) she's counting presumably on being able to carry a majority without worrying about the other parties. But if they all pool their ideas and contest this almost as one, she'd have a problem on her hands.

 

PMs only call elections when they're very confident of winning. she's cautious by nature. She's done this because she thinks she can win an increased majority. she'll be able to deliver her view of brexit, which I suspect is softer than the hard right majority in her party, who will yield less power in a larger majority. 

[Dr Gloom 21807]

This is going to backfire. Mark my words. Fabian and Euro consensus think tanks will start to reconfigure Labour over the next weeks. I will fly in tomorrow.

 

well you've been right recently so who am i to question you?

 

so who is the next uk pm? corbyn? 

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3809]

well you've been right recently so who am i to question you?

 

so who is the next uk pm? corbyn? 

Sturgeon!

[Park Life 71]

well you've been right recently so who am i to question you?

 

so who is the next uk pm? corbyn?

The ideal scenario is that Corby will resign within days. I was wondering the last few weeks about so many polls reg the Tory lead.....Other forces are at work here.

 

May thinks she can carry the day and getting a mandate for a Hard Brexit. There is little appetite in the financial sector for such a Brexit. Think behind the scenes key actors have discovered difficulties that weren't anticipated and want a reset.

Edited April 18, 2017 by Park Life

[Rayvin 5170]

PMs only call elections when they're very confident of winning. she's cautious by nature. She's done this because she thinks she can win an increased majority. she'll be able to deliver her view of brexit, which I suspect is softer than the hard right majority in her party, who will yield less power in a larger majority. 

 

At the same time, May isn't exactly a formidable thinker.

 

Two things I was just mulling over:

 

1 - The Lib Dems were kicked to fuck in the last election. I would imagine all will be forgiven now. Who did they primarily lose seats to? Surely the people who voted away from them last time will go back to them this time.

 

2 - The working class won't abandon Labour for the Tories. So where do the Tories pick up their majority from? I could see UKIP picking up seats, but the Tories?

[Gemmill 44327]

Corbyn needs to take a leaf out of Putin's playbook and start doing PMQs shirtless and challenging May to an arm wrestle. It's his only hope.

 

I own a Phone and use an App

[Dr Gloom 21807]

The ideal scenario is that Corby will resign within days. I was wondering the last few weeks about so many polls reg the Tory lead.....Other forces are at work here.

 

go on then  

[Rayvin 5170]

The Lib Dems lost 27 seats to the Tories last time. Surely those 27 seats are coming right back.