Politics

[Dr Gloom 22508]

tbh, i suppose i'm friends who do a variety of jobs, and i've taken my boy to the natural history museum a few times, but that's about it. 

[Rayvin 5567]

tbh, i suppose i'm friends who do a variety of jobs, and i've taken my boy to the natural history museum a few times, but that's about it. 

 

Yeah maybe it overcompensates on that stuff. Economically I've not even got a house, so it's not like I can say there's that much going for me. But when you spread the factors over several criteria like that I suppose these are the results you get. I don't really go to museums either these days. And I certainly never went to private school - my parents could barely afford to send me to university.

[Renton 22389]

Elite. Shoot me now.

[Rayvin 5567]

Elite. Shoot me now.

 

 

Inevitable.

[Dr Gloom 22508]

renton, you're so establishment

[Renton 22389]

I do aspire to be elite tbf. If I've made it already then fuck this life tbh.

[Rayvin 5567]

Aye, says something doesn't it? I'm not sure that survey weights income/finance high enough to be honest.

[Renton 22389]

Aye, says something doesn't it? I'm not sure that survey weights income/finance high enough to be honest.

Aye listening to radio 4 and taking the bairn to the great north museum makes you elite, even if you haven't got the disposable income to buy a coffee when you get there.

 

I'd say Chez and Parky are the obvious elites of this board, one through luck and one through breeding.

[Howmanheyman 34419]

This is the best one I've seen for measuring your social class:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22000973

I'm a new affluent worker who is generally young. What a pile of shite although still better than the telegraph's abortion of a guide to your status, which as Alex says didn't give you enough choices. 'Metropolitan elite'. :Whey aye!

[ewerk 31581]

I'd say Chez and Parky are the obvious elites of this board, one through luck and one through breeding.

 

I'm not sure which is which. Parky definitely has the family bullion buried somewhere.

[Park Life 71]

it's the first time ever, i think, that the candidate who spent less money campaigning won. all the odds were against him. parky was the only one on here who called it, if i remember correctly, but he's a freak. 

I am the leader of all rednecks.

[Dr Gloom 22508]

given the past couple of vids you posted, i'm inclined to agree

[Park Life 71]

I'd say you're all pretty much middle class on here bar MF, Stevie, Alex, Tooj, The Fish and HF and a few others who still have the essence of the working class about them. True barricade boys.

 

Renton and Gloom, no matter how much they stray on stand out topics are still socialists as I read it.

 

I suspect Chez could make a pretty good case for right wing economics and we'd all start to believe him and his high- falooting terminology.

Edited November 15, 2016 by Park Life

[Alex 35907]

Wow, I've made the Politburo.

[Gemmill 47029]

The Fish will have choked on his English tapas when he learned he got lumped in the "not middle class" bucket.

[ChezGiven 0]

Ich bin ein fascist. 

[Rayvin 5567]

Corbyn did well at PMQs today (though not amazing, as ever). What worries me though is how utterly out of her depth May seems to be. She had nothing of any substance to say whatsoever when challenged. I genuinely don't think she knows what she's doing. I suspect the reason she hasn't called a GE is because she'd probably win it - and winning it would be political suicide.

Edited November 16, 2016 by Rayvin

[Renton 22389]

Corbyn did well at PMQs today (though not amazing, as ever). What worries me though is how utterly out of her depth May seems to be. She had nothing of any substance to say whatsoever when challenged. I genuinely don't think she knows what she's doing. I suspect the reason she hasn't called a GE is because she'd probably win it - and winning it would be political suicide.

What?

 

I suppose conversely a massive defeat will be a great result for Corbyn.

[Rayvin 5567]

What?

 

I suppose conversely a massive defeat will be a great result for Corbyn.

 

I mean the poisoned chalice of delivering Brexit - But yes, I probably should have expanded. There's no way May can deliver Brexit while keeping enough people happy, and while preserving the economy; so whoever carries it out, is fucked. I'd prefer the Tories to 'deliver' it rather than Labour, actually.

 

Corbyn losing would see him off altogether but my views on this have changed since his re-election. In a Trump election landscape we don't have time to wait for the Tories to fuck up and for people to head to Corbyn, we need the left to start building a new framework for winning people back in that doesn't look like what Blair did. I thought we had another four or five years

Edited November 16, 2016 by Rayvin

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4067]

Labour need to start opposing brexit now so when the Tories do go ahead with it they can say fucking told you. At the moment they are offering nothing different to what the Tories are.

[Rayvin 5567]

Labour need to start opposing brexit now so when the Tories do go ahead with it they can say fucking told you. At the moment they are offering nothing different to what the Tories are.

 

I was thinking something similar just before, although that's a long game to play. They wouldn't get their 'I told you so' moment for some time. And would people even care then?

 

In my head they need to play a clever game that involves being coy about the whole thing, half in and half out. They can't go all in otherwise they won't be able to criticise, but somewhere in between the two positions could let them have their cake and eat it. Or it could make them look indecisive. It's not an easy position to play, but it's a better one than Theresa's. She has to go balls deep into Brexit

Edited November 16, 2016 by Rayvin

[Meenzer 15836]

Labour need to start opposing brexit now so when the Tories do go ahead with it they can say fucking told you. At the moment they are offering nothing different to what the Tories are.

 

Which requires a change of leader, which won't happen until after a devastating general election loss that leaves them in an appalling position for a new leader to take on anyway. Article 50, Catch 22.

[Renton 22389]

Which requires a change of leader, which won't happen until after a devastating general election loss that leaves them in an appalling position for a new leader to take on anyway. Article 50, Catch 22.

Aye, we're completely fucked basically. I agree with KCG though that Labour have nowt to lose, but still don't have the cajones to come out against Brexit. Absolutely no lessons learnt after austerity. You can't beat the Tory cunts at their own game. Grow some balls and oppose them.

[Gemmill 47029]

You're opposing the public if you oppose Brexit, you mad bastards. They can't just fold their arms and declare that they don't like it.

[Rayvin 5567]

Aye, we're completely fucked basically. I agree with KCG though that Labour have nowt to lose, but still don't have the cajones to come out against Brexit. Absolutely no lessons learnt after austerity. You can't beat the Tory cunts at their own game. Grow some balls and oppose them.

 

Labour need to win back the people who just delivered Brexit though... Opposing Brexit confirms them as the party of the middle class, for the middle class. Identity politics and good old middle class values aren't going to get them back into power.