Politics

[Park Life 71]

The history of the Labour left is alligned with the history of Jews in UK politics. From the TUC, Trades Council 1918, London Labour, In the 30's, 40's 40's and 60's when there was open discrimination against Jews taking positions in politics Labour had between 36 and 66 Jewish MP's. The history of the Labour party is entwined with working class Jewery in the UK. The Labour Party is the most inclusive political organization across the board in the whole of Europe probably.

 

These latest weak attacks are all about the rise of Momentum and a strong stand against Israel across the whole spectrum of new members and the Old Guard. It simply won't be tolerated by the legacy MSM. (Yes the MSM is losing its grip).

 

Brexit was the first sign that people organised and gained information in other areas than the mass media. The Trump phemomena is the same and the rise of the Front National is the same. Social media and other like for like platforms is where the vast maj of people under 30 new exchange ideas and 'news'.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Park Life

[Dr Gloom 22496]

The history of the Labour left is alligned with the history of Jews in UK politics. From the TUC, Trades Council 1918, London Labour, In the 30's, 40's 40's and 60's when there was open discrimination against Jews taking positions in politics Labour had between 36 and 66 Jewish MP's. The history of the Labour party is entwined with working class Jewery in the UK. The Labour Party is the most inclusive political organization across the board in the whole of Europe probably.

 

These latest weak attacks are all about the rise of Momentum and a strong stand against Israel across the whole spectrum of new members and the Old Guard. It simply won't be tolerated by the legacy MSM. (Yes the MSM is losing its grip).

 

Brexit was the first sign that people organised and gained information in other areas than the mass media. The Trump phemomena is the same and the rise of the Front National is the same. Social media and other like for like platforms is where the vast maj of people under 30 new exchange ideas and 'news'.

And by MSM I presume you mean the mainstream media controlled by the Jewish lobby? ? Edited October 17, 2016 by Dr Gloom

[Alex 35900]

The history of the Labour left is alligned with the history of Jews in UK politics. From the TUC, Trades Council 1918, London Labour, In the 30's, 40's 40's and 60's when there was open discrimination against Jews taking positions in politics Labour had between 36 and 66 Jewish MP's. The history of the Labour party is entwined with working class Jewery in the UK. The Labour Party is the most inclusive political organization across the board in the whole of Europe probably.

 

These latest weak attacks are all about the rise of Momentum and a strong stand against Israel across the whole spectrum of new members and the Old Guard. It simply won't be tolerated by the legacy MSM. (Yes the MSM is losing its grip).

 

Brexit was the first sign that people organised and gained information in other areas than the mass media. The Trump phemomena is the same and the rise of the Front National is the same. Social media and other like for like platforms is where the vast maj of people under 30 new exchange ideas and 'news'.

Good post

[Renton 22379]

The history of the Labour left is alligned with the history of Jews in UK politics. From the TUC, Trades Council 1918, London Labour, In the 30's, 40's 40's and 60's when there was open discrimination against Jews taking positions in politics Labour had between 36 and 66 Jewish MP's. The history of the Labour party is entwined with working class Jewery in the UK. The Labour Party is the most inclusive political organization across the board in the whole of Europe probably.

 

These latest weak attacks are all about the rise of Momentum and a strong stand against Israel across the whole spectrum of new members and the Old Guard. It simply won't be tolerated by the legacy MSM. (Yes the MSM is losing its grip).

 

Brexit was the first sign that people organised and gained information in other areas than the mass media. The Trump phemomena is the same and the rise of the Front National is the same. Social media and other like for like platforms is where the vast maj of people under 30 new exchange ideas and 'news'.

Brexit had no rational basis, people didn't "gain information" through non traditional sources, analyse it, and act on it accordingly. The people who voted Brexit were statistically less well educated and older than those who voted remain. The same for Trump. These are the idiots who lap up the daily mail and for whom patriotism and xenophobia has a strong emotional pull.

[Dr Gloom 22496]

yeah, i'm inclined to agree with that analysis. i think parky's argument does apply to momentum and other young, idealistic left wingers. 

 

the majority of brexit/trump supporters are about as ill informed as you can get. CT being a perfect example.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Dr Gloom

[Rayvin 5546]

Both the Momentum left and the Brexit right are attacking the same thing, just from different sides. The establishment middle. I could not be more convinced that what we're seeing is an ideological assault on Neo-Liberalism despite the fact that most of the people involved in said assault don't know that this is what they're doing.

[Park Life 71]

Both the Momentum left and the Brexit right are attacking the same thing, just from different sides. The establishment middle. I could not be more convinced that what we're seeing is an ideological assault on Neo-Liberalism despite the fact that most of the people involved in said assault don't know that this is what they're doing.

Correct.

[Park Life 71]

yeah, i'm inclined to agree with that analysis. i think parky's argument does apply to momentum and other young, idealistic left wingers. 

 

the majority of brexit/trump supporters are about as ill informed as you can get. CT being a perfect example.

It's not whether the info is correct (all news is spun or agenda driven anyway) its how it's being accessed and discussed. More and more the legacy media is being bypassed. The 6 conglomerates that own 90% of the American media and the entrenched MSM in the UK are losing their hold. I think this process will continue. People under 30-35 just don't believe most of what the MSM peddle anymore.

[Park Life 71]

Brexit had no rational basis, people didn't "gain information" through non traditional sources, analyse it, and act on it accordingly. The people who voted Brexit were statistically less well educated and older than those who voted remain. The same for Trump. These are the idiots who lap up the daily mail and for whom patriotism and xenophobia has a strong emotional pull.

That may well be, but my point is that there is a new momentum with regard to how younger people interact with politics and hard media. Things that get traction on twitter or Facebook and other forums and independent publishers go half way around the world within a day or two. Ideas are being discussed sometimes without any interplay from the MSM. I obviously agree on Brexit with reg to the quality of the information/misinformation...Even some of these anti-EU Youtube accounts had many tens of thousand of views.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Park Life

[Rayvin 5546]

It's not whether the info is correct (all news is spun or agenda driven anyway) its how it's being accessed and discussed. More and more the legacy media is being bypassed. The 6 conglomerates that own 90% of the American media and the entrenched MSM in the UK are losing their hold. I think this process will continue. People under 30-35 just don't believe most of what the MSM peddle anymore.

 

Absolutely agree with this. Slightly concerned how much Parky and I have been in agreement recently

 

The MSM has had it IMO, but they're lashing out all over the place presently in a bid to retain control.

[Gemmill 47000]

So are we all in agreement that the Jews just need to pipe down?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Renton 22379]

Is being Jewish not passed down the mothers side? That's got me thinking about Gloomy's foreskin status which is not something I really want to dwell upon.

[Park Life 71]

Find Gloom's views on Israel very balanced tbh. No way he has enough of the proper blood.

[ewerk 31555]

Too much foreskin tbh.

[Rayvin 5546]

Is being Jewish not passed down the mothers side? That's got me thinking about Gloomy's foreskin status which is not something I really want to dwell upon.

 

Thanks for sharing.

[Dr Gloom 22496]

Is being Jewish not passed down the mothers side? That's got me thinking about Gloomy's foreskin status which is not something I really want to dwell upon.

 

according to jewish law i'm 100% part of the tribe, despite the fact my old man is catholic. i'll leave the foreskin status to your sordid imagination. 

[Dr Gloom 22496]

So are we all in agreement that the Jews just need to pipe down?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

always bleating about their holocaust, which let's be fair, probably didn't even happen. and even if it did, it was massively overblown by the jewish controlled media. big nosed twats sitting on their gold mines. 

Edited October 17, 2016 by Dr Gloom

[Dr Gloom 22496]

for those defending corbyn, it took an appearance in front of the home affairs select committee for him to finally say he regretted sharing a stage with hamas and hezbollah and referring to them as "our friends".  he refused to do so in PMQs earlier in the year; the bacon faced cunt cameron murdered him for it. 

[Rayvin 5546]

That's no different to our other politicians saying they're 'friends of Israel' if we assume that both sides are as bad as each other, is it?

 

Except that only one side has the power in that argument and that Corbyn's position has been to try and broker peace, not mindless violence.

[Gemmill 47000]

Renton is a friend of Dorothy.

[Dr Gloom 22496]

That's no different to our other politicians saying they're 'friends of Israel' if we assume that both sides are as bad as each other, is it?

 

Except that only one side has the power in that argument and that Corbyn's position has been to try and broker peace, not mindless violence.

 

it is quite a bit different, actually. whatever you think of israeli policy under netanyahu and his ilk, and i deplore a lot of it, israel is a sovereign state. i wish they'd fuck off out of the occupied territories and stop killing palestinians, but this is a fact. 

 

the hamas charter calls for the destruction of israel, as does the hezbollah ideology and both are recognised as terrorist organisations. it's not particularly wise to share a stage with them or refer to them as friends in the first place. taking so long to denounce them further hit corbyn's credibility - it played into the hands of those who say he hasn't been strong enough on the rise of antisemitism in his party.

[Rayvin 5546]

it is quite a bit different, actually. whatever you think of israeli policy under netanyahu and his ilk, and i deplore a lot of it, israel is a sovereign state. i wish they'd fuck off out of the occupied territories and stop killing palestinians, but this is a fact. 

 

the hamas charter calls for the destruction of israel, as does the hezbollah ideology and both are recognised as terrorist organisations. it's not particularly wise to share a stage with them or refer to them as friends in the first place. taking so long to denounce them further hit corbyn's credibility - it played into the hands of those who say he hasn't been strong enough on the rise of antisemitism in his party.

On the first part - I choose not to see that distinction, sorry. I choose to just look at what the institution, state, political party, whatever, is responsible for. Whether one side has been called a terrorist organisation or not makes no odds to me. What matters is who is killing who, why, and with how many deaths. Presumably if the tables were turned (and we still supported Israel), Hamas would be a 'fascist dictatorship' and Israel would be freedom fighters. If you take the labels away, just look at who is doing what.

 

In terms of Corbyn's involvement, he just sticks to his principles. I really don't see why this bothers so many people. I couldn't care less what the MSM thinks of him, I really couldn't. I'll just look at what he says, and what he does, when it comes to policies. And I've seen him out speaking about giving people a better life in the city centre in Newcastle, I've seen him stick to his guns on issues he believes in despite media attacks, and I've seen the whole Labour party try to kick him out and his success in beating them back.

 

I'll worry about anti-semitism in Labour when it comes to more than just a few randoms making stupid comments. Incidentally, Naz Shah and Livingstone were both in Labour before Corbyn was leader weren't they? What was Miliband doing to tackle their anti-semitic beliefs exactly? It's not like, all of a sudden, Corbyn got in and they went to the dark side.

[Alex 35900]

it is quite a bit different, actually. whatever you think of israeli policy under netanyahu and his ilk, and i deplore a lot of it, israel is a sovereign state. i wish they'd fuck off out of the occupied territories and stop killing palestinians, but this is a fact. 

 

the hamas charter calls for the destruction of israel, as does the hezbollah ideology and both are recognised as terrorist organisations. it's not particularly wise to share a stage with them or refer to them as friends in the first place. taking so long to denounce them further hit corbyn's credibility - it played into the hands of those who say he hasn't been strong enough on the rise of antisemitism in his party.

The simple fact is that Israel kills significantly more Palestinians than the other way round and that makes them worse than the other side.

[PaddockLad 17926]

Glooms a turtle neck? ..... I think it may have been NHS policy in the late sixties... there were a few in our old Sunday morning team, all born in the same hospital within a couple of years of each other. The lad who did the op was on a good screw, £10 an hour plus tips...

 

 

Is that my coat I see before me?...

[Renton 22379]

The simple fact is that Israel kills significantly more Palestinians than the other way round and that makes them worse than the other side.

That's a bit simplistic at best.

 

But whatever the pros and cons of establishing blame, its a fact that israel is now a fully fledged state and needs to be recognized as such. They can't tolerate people who don't recognize this.

 

I'll add in that the Jewish people have also successfully integrated secularism into many of their systems and have culturally contributed to the West. Something I'm sorry to say most Muslim peoples have struggled with. Massive generalisation with some truth in it I suspect.