Politics

[Renton 21624]

Hang on. Was the bloke not fairly voted in? Has he been organising a coup against himself from day one? Whatever faults he has the infighting has been a fucking disgrace and I can't help but wonder what would've happened had everybody just got on board and got on with it. Like I think I've already pointed out, if Corbyn, even with the full support of his party failed as his predecessor did, then fair enough, but the bloke hasn't had a chance and you can put that poll down to the party as a whole as much as you can the leader of it.

Of course, silly me, the party's historically poor showing is not the fault of the leader. The polls are catastrophic man. It's obvious the problem is Corbyn, he has no general appeal whatsoever. He's going to destroy the party, perhaps forever, yet incredibly his supporters just don't seem to care.

[Meenzer 15526]

As relevant as ever:

 

 

[Howmanheyman 33202]

Of course, silly me, the party's historically poor showing is not the fault of the leader. The polls are catastrophic man. It's obvious the problem is Corbyn, he has no general appeal whatsoever. He's going to destroy the party, perhaps forever, yet incredibly his supporters just don't seem to care.

They fucking resigned en masse and spat the dummy out. How on earth is that going to help the polls? Whether he's a liability or a great hope he was undermined by many of his party from day one. He hasn't been given any support and basically been hung out to dry, this is 100% down to the people undermining him. At least let him fail on his own merits!

[ewerk 30610]

So it's everyone else's fault but Corbyn's?

[Happy Face 29]

Labour doing well in the latest polls. CON 43%, LAB 26%, LIBM 8%, UKIP 11%, GRN 6%.

 

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9765

 

A 17% lead for the conservatives. At this stage in the electoral cycle last time Miliband had a 10% lead, so that's a swing of 27%. Nice one Jeremy. 

 

 

 

Taking the opposite view, despite being ripped to shreds by the entire media bar 1 paper and the vast majority of his own MPs  taking direct action to harm his leadership, these numbers STILL aren't the worst Labour have had, even in the last decade.  Wonder what the numbers would be without that opposition.

[Renton 21624]

Taking the opposite view, despite being ripped to shreds by the entire media bar 1 paper and the vast majority of his own MPs taking direct action to harm his leadership, these numbers STILL aren't the worst Labour have had, even in the last decade. Wonder what the numbers would be without that opposition.

They're the worst I can recall, and given the fucking appalling shit the likes of Fox and Rudd have been coming out with I'd say this a true nadir for the party in my lifetime.

[ewerk 30610]

Really? When were the polls worse in the last ten years?

[Happy Face 29]

...also it's sneaky to pin a 27% swing on him.  The first ComRes poll after he was announced (that you linked to) gave the Tories a 12 point lead, so despite everything the last year, he's "only" lost 5%.

[Renton 21624]

They fucking resigned en masse and spat the dummy out. How on earth is that going to help the polls? Whether he's a liability or a great hope he was undermined by many of his party from day one. He hasn't been given any support and basically been hung out to dry, this is 100% down to the people undermining him. At least let him fail on his own merits!

Give over. Corbyn has spent his entire career undermining the labour leadership, he can hardly complain when the favours returned. Besides which, he did get reluctant support for the best part of a year. It was only when he made such a pathetic half arsed campaign for Remain that he lost the PLP entirely.

[Happy Face 29]

Really? When were the polls worse in the last ten years?

 

from the reporting on Renton's numbers...

 

The gap is the second largest Tory lead recorded by ICM, outstripped only by a poll in 2008 which showed David Cameron’s Tories 20 per cent ahead of Gordon Brown’s Labour.

 

Labour’s 26 per cent is only slightly higher than their lowest ever level – 25 per cent under Gordon Brown in two polls in 2008 and 2009.

 

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/theresa-mays-conservatives-romp-17-point-poll-lead-labour/

[Renton 21624]

...also it's sneaky to pin a 27% swing on him. The first ComRes poll after he was announced (that you linked to) gave the Tories a 12 point lead, so despite everything the last year, he's "only" lost 5%.

I take it back, sorry. He's doing a Stirling job.

[Happy Face 29]

He's clinging on  to an impossible job that will only harm him and the party as long as it goes on.  There's no need to exaggerate the impact his appointment has had when it has been so demonstrably catastrophic without manipulating the numbers.

[Renton 21624]

He's clinging on to an impossible job that will only harm him and the party as long as it goes on. There's no need to exaggerate the impact his appointment has had when it has been so demonstrably catastrophic without manipulating the numbers.

Not sure I can be bothered crunching numbers but did I misquote the poll? Cut and pasted it says:

 

CON 43%(+2), LAB 26%(nc), LDEM 8%(nc), UKIP 11%(-3), GRN 6%(+2)

 

Is that not a 17% lead for the conservatives or have I lost the ability to do basic arithmetic? Whatever, it an appalling figure given the context of where we are. It's not like the lib dems or UKIP are even forces to be reckoned with.

[Happy Face 29]

I was talking about the 27% swing you've attributed to him.

[Renton 21624]

Ahhh, having reread I see your saying he was unpopular from the start, and is now only slightly more unpopular.

 

Right....

[ewerk 30610]

Let's just all agree that his leadership has been a terrible mistake.

[Happy Face 29]

Ahhh, having reread I see your saying he was unpopular from the start, and is now only slightly more unpopular.

 

Right....

No, i'm saying labour were trending down before Corbyn. Milliband turned his lead into deficit himself. Dishonest to pin that on Corbyn.

[Happy Face 29]

Let's just all agree that his leadership has been a terrible mistake.

And not one that will only last until he goes. There will be little appetite for supporting any of the rebels looking to oust him among those that joined labor to help him.

 

The best bet would be for those centrist opponents to back him to the hilt, and endear themselves to the lefties that might otherwise look for someone else as radical.

[Renton 21624]

No, i'm saying labour were trending down before Corbyn. Milliband turned his lead into deficit himself. Dishonest to pin that on Corbyn.

At the equivalent stage in the electoral cycle under Miliband, he was 20 to 30 points ahead of Corbyn now (in terms of swing), despite arguably the conservatives being less popular now. He lost the general election where he was 6.5% behind camerons tories. Nowhere near good enough, so he had to go. However, compared to now those were truly halcyon days for Labour, which is now plodding on towards electoral extinction.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Renton

[adios 717]

Can we all just be respectful and let @@Renton defect to the Tories in peace?

[Renton 21624]

Think PL has binned me off to Meenzers lot tbh.

[Meenzer 15526]

Well, it is nearly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coming_Out_Day

[Dr Gloom 21923]

Jeremy Corbyn's response to anti-Semitism in Labour criticised by MPs

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37656197

[NJS 4385]

I think there are anti-semites in Labour but not taking evidence from the Jewish Labour movement does look a bit biased.

 

Also like how they imply Twitter abuse is Corbyn's fault.

[Gemmill 44879]

I genuinely find it bizarre to identify with a religion so much that anti-my-religion is a significant concern in your life.

 

What is actually happening in the Labour Party to conjure all of these accusations. I hear endless accusations of anti semitism but I haven't heard what concrete, tangible stuff is actually happening.