Rayvin 5572 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 What data are you referring to? Does UKip have access to individual person data the other parties don't? Howay man. Â No, he means the data about who voted out, in terms of demographics and population centres, at the referendum. The people who listened to them, basically. They know which seats will be most receptive to their message which, for a smaller party, gives them some vital data on where they'll get the most bang for their buck. Â It's a fair enough point I think - it doesn't mean they're going to crash in there and clean up at the next GE, but if they can get their message right they know where to hit Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 No it isn't. His point is it's a done deal due to those rather tenuous set of reasons. He'll now argue that was his point though, or he would've done had I not just predicted he would. Â Fair comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4969 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 UKIP MP Douglas Carswell has recently been seen arguing with scientists on twitter about what causes ocean tides, he disagrees with the assertion that it is the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35942 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Yeah, I think it's been mentioned Thing is, he not only gets it the wrong way round about the influence of the Moon and the Sun but he's sat on the internet anyway but didn't think to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 They've got no chance because: - Their only remit has been achieved. - They have no political talent in their party and no hope of attracting any. - They have no policies and their previous manifestos have been pure doolally stuff. - For the large majority of people, they are seen as utterly toxic. They have only ever done well as a protest vote. There's no sense in that now. - The conservative party has gone so far right they've been squeezed out of that margin. Â So come on CT, name some brilliant emerging UKip politicians and tell me, other than Brexit, bigotry, and racism, what their policies actually are? In fact where are they even on the political spectrum? They'll not even exist in 5 years man. Â There's no point me and you going around the houses about UKIP if you honestly believe they'll be gone in 5 years and are no threat to Labour. Â I'm not a ukipper so know as much about their 2020 potential MP's as I do about the SNP. (Apart from that mouthy lass that is forever on the telly and always looks very pleased with herself). Â I remember the days when Alex Salmond was pilloried like Farage. But to write off a young fast growing party that has quickly gained half as many voters as Labour and only last year was second place in 120 seats, is ridiculous. Â You may not be worried but The Labour Party knows the fight is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 Which of course means 63% voted to remain. And these people are joining UKip? You've lost me  If the 37% of labour voters (you know, the racist ones who voted leave), switch to UKIP, it's goodnight Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31598 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 And if the 58% of Conservative voters switch to UKIP then they're fucked. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 Only CT could argue a party polling lower than it was in 2010 despite having achieved what it was set up for is gaining momentum what on earth are you on about? Back then they used to average under 5% in the polls. These days there in the teens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31598 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 what on earth are you on about? Back then they used to average under 5% in the polls. These days there in the teens? Â They were at 19% before the referendum. They're now at 13%. "Momentum". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 To be fair, CT's argument is that the data UKIP have secured as a result of the referendum will allow them to target people, voters who might be swayed by their nonsense, in a much more efficient way than previously. It'll also allow them to get a better picture of what those voters are asking for. Â Yes they'd need to be smart about it. Yes they probably aren't capable of that. Â But his point, and perhaps I'm being generous here, is that the potential exists. Â Accusing a party that has come from nowhere and engineered one of the most momentous decisions in U.K. history of not being smart, is not very smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35942 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 what on earth are you on about? Back then they used to average under 5% in the polls. These days there in the teens? They got 12.9% of the popular vote in the 2010 election, an average of all opinion polls throughout August gives them 11.4%. I won't expand on that because you're probably the only person who doesn't see the point being made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35942 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Â Accusing a party that has come from nowhere and engineered one of the most momentous decisions in U.K. history of not being smart, is not very smart Following that argument the person dubbed the greatest PM in your lifetime would need to be an idiot of gargantuan proportions. Obviously you like to have your cake and eat it. You were also arguing in this very thread the difference between a referendum vote and how voters vote in a general election. You literally hop between self contradiction and lack of basic comprehension in almost every post you make. It's fucking mint when WUMs make complete fools of themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35942 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Btw, I bet Farage and co hope they don't get what they claim to want, i.e. hard Brexit, because it's just about the only chance they have of staying remotely relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22540 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 i would be very surprised if UKIP even manage one additional seat in the next GE. and even then, i wouldn't be surprised if carswell re-joined the tories given some of his comments about the way his party went about campaigning for brexit.  ironic, really, that this is the least ugly face of ukip   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 And if the 58% of Conservative voters switch to UKIP then they're fucked. What's your point? Conservatives are in power and flying high, Labour are in turmoil. More chance of Labour "vote leavers" switching to UKIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31598 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) They got 12.9% of the popular vote in the 2010 election, an average of all opinion polls throughout August gives them 11.4%. I won't expand on that because you're probably the only person who doesn't see the point being madeNo they didn't. You have got a bit mixed up. They had 3% of the vote in 2010 and 12% last year. Thank god you didn't expand on it Edited September 21, 2016 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35942 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 No they didn't. You have got a bit mixed up. They had 3% of the vote in 2010 and 12% last year. Â Thank god you didn't expand on it I got my years mixed up,. Point still stands re: 'momentum' though. They're displaying the opposite of that since the referendum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 I got my years mixed up,. Point still stands re: 'momentum' though. They're displaying the opposite of that since the referendum Hey what's 5 years between friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17972 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 No they didn't. You have got a bit mixed up. They had 3% of the vote in 2010 and 12% last year.  Thank god you didn't expand on it   They increased their vote with this:   "Smart"  Edward Heath threw Enoch Powell out of the conservative party for the rivers of blood speach, but you praise UKIP for this fuckin crock of utter bigotry? yeah, you could use the word "smart" to describe it, just I'd avoid doing it within earshot of the foreign nationals who have been insulted, physically attacked and allegedly murdered since the 23rd June.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22449 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 You've lost me  If the 37% of labour voters (you know, the racist ones who voted leave), switch to UKIP, it's goodnight Labour. Ewerk and Alex have made the point for me, even by your standards your contradictions are ridiculous. Earlier today you claimed referendums have nothing to do with general elections. Then you claimed the exact opposite, but only for Labour, not the conservatives (the latter of course being much more likely to support "UK independence"). Even by your own dismal standards this logic is retarded.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4920 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 They increased their vote with this: Â Â Â Must have had a canny time machine then given that was a year after the election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 You lot are still arguing with CT? Â Can only be to make yourselves feel bigger and cleverer, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 To be fair, we have a reasonably impressive rotation system in effect. The hope is that one day we wear him down and he just gives up. Â No luck so far. It's almost as if he feeds off this kind of thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Death, taxes and CT never evolving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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