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What data are you referring to? Does UKip have access to individual person data the other parties don't? Howay man.

 

No, he means the data about who voted out, in terms of demographics and population centres, at the referendum. The people who listened to them, basically. They know which seats will be most receptive to their message which, for a smaller party, gives them some vital data on where they'll get the most bang for their buck.

 

It's a fair enough point I think - it doesn't mean they're going to crash in there and clean up at the next GE, but if they can get their message right they know where to hit Labour.

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No it isn't. His point is it's a done deal due to those rather tenuous set of reasons.

He'll now argue that was his point though, or he would've done had I not just predicted he would.

 

Fair comment :lol:

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UKIP MP Douglas Carswell has recently been seen arguing with scientists on twitter about what causes ocean tides, he disagrees with the assertion that it is the moon.

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Yeah, I think it's been mentioned ;)

Thing is, he not only gets it the wrong way round about the influence of the Moon and the Sun but he's sat on the internet anyway but didn't think to check. :lol:

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They've got no chance because:

- Their only remit has been achieved.

- They have no political talent in their party and no hope of attracting any.

- They have no policies and their previous manifestos have been pure doolally stuff.

- For the large majority of people, they are seen as utterly toxic. They have only ever done well as a protest vote. There's no sense in that now.

- The conservative party has gone so far right they've been squeezed out of that margin.

 

So come on CT, name some brilliant emerging UKip politicians and tell me, other than Brexit, bigotry, and racism, what their policies actually are? In fact where are they even on the political spectrum? They'll not even exist in 5 years man.

:lol:

 

There's no point me and you going around the houses about UKIP if you honestly believe they'll be gone in 5 years and are no threat to Labour.

 

I'm not a ukipper so know as much about their 2020 potential MP's as I do about the SNP. (Apart from that mouthy lass that is forever on the telly and always looks very pleased with herself).

 

I remember the days when Alex Salmond was pilloried like Farage. But to write off a young fast growing party that has quickly gained half as many voters as Labour and only last year was second place in 120 seats, is ridiculous.

 

You may not be worried but The Labour Party knows the fight is coming.

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To be fair, CT's argument is that the data UKIP have secured as a result of the referendum will allow them to target people, voters who might be swayed by their nonsense, in a much more efficient way than previously. It'll also allow them to get a better picture of what those voters are asking for.

 

Yes they'd need to be smart about it. Yes they probably aren't capable of that.

 

But his point, and perhaps I'm being generous here, is that the potential exists.

:lol:

 

Accusing a party that has come from nowhere and engineered one of the most momentous decisions in U.K. history of not being smart, is not very smart ;)

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:lol: what on earth are you on about? Back then they used to average under 5% in the polls. These days there in the teens?

They got 12.9% of the popular vote in the 2010 election, an average of all opinion polls throughout August gives them 11.4%. I won't expand on that because you're probably the only person who doesn't see the point being made

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:lol:

 

Accusing a party that has come from nowhere and engineered one of the most momentous decisions in U.K. history of not being smart, is not very smart ;)

Following that argument the person dubbed the greatest PM in your lifetime would need to be an idiot of gargantuan proportions. Obviously you like to have your cake and eat it. You were also arguing in this very thread the difference between a referendum vote and how voters vote in a general election. You literally hop between self contradiction and lack of basic comprehension in almost every post you make.

It's fucking mint when WUMs make complete fools of themselves

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Btw, I bet Farage and co hope they don't get what they claim to want, i.e. hard Brexit, because it's just about the only chance they have of staying remotely relevant.

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i would be very surprised if UKIP even manage one additional seat in the next GE. and even then, i wouldn't be surprised if carswell re-joined the tories given some of his comments about the way his party went about campaigning for brexit. 

 

ironic, really, that this is the least ugly face of ukip :lol: 

 

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They got 12.9% of the popular vote in the 2010 election, an average of all opinion polls throughout August gives them 11.4%. I won't expand on that because you're probably the only person who doesn't see the point being made

No they didn't. You have got a bit mixed up. They had 3% of the vote in 2010 and 12% last year.

 

Thank god you didn't expand on it :lol:

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No they didn't. You have got a bit mixed up. They had 3% of the vote in 2010 and 12% last year.

 

Thank god you didn't expand on it :lol:

I got my years mixed up,. Point still stands re: 'momentum' though. They're displaying the opposite of that since the referendum

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No they didn't. You have got a bit mixed up. They had 3% of the vote in 2010 and 12% last year.

 

Thank god you didn't expand on it :lol:

 

 

They increased their vote with this:

 

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"Smart" ;)

 

Edward Heath threw Enoch Powell out of the conservative party for the rivers of blood speach, but you praise UKIP for this fuckin crock of utter bigotry? yeah, you could use the word "smart" to describe it, just I'd avoid doing it within earshot of the foreign nationals who have been insulted, physically attacked and allegedly murdered since the 23rd June....

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You've lost me :lol:

 

If the 37% of labour voters (you know, the racist ones who voted leave), switch to UKIP, it's goodnight Labour.

Ewerk and Alex have made the point for me, even by your standards your contradictions are ridiculous. Earlier today you claimed referendums have nothing to do with general elections. Then you claimed the exact opposite, but only for Labour, not the conservatives (the latter of course being much more likely to support "UK independence"). Even by your own dismal standards this logic is retarded.

 

:CT:

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To be fair, we have a reasonably impressive rotation system in effect. The hope is that one day we wear him down and he just gives up.

 

No luck so far. It's almost as if he feeds off this kind of thing :lol:

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