Politics

[Rayvin 5329]

Must admit, even a political armchair luvvie like me hasn't noticed anything of the labour leadership campaign over the summer.

 

It ends this month?

 

Anyone any wiser what will happen next?

 

Kiss and make up

Continued back bench sulk

Split away

 

I think split. I think this whole thing has been a precursor for a split with the intent of signalling 'we tried our best' from old-new-labour.

 

I cannot for one second imagine they're just going to fall back into line. As I said, centre left is on the brink.

[Christmas Tree 4858]

I think split. I think this whole thing has been a precursor for a split with the intent of signalling 'we tried our best' from old-new-labour.

 

I cannot for one second imagine they're just going to fall back into line. As I said, centre left is on the brink.

I think it will be getting out of Europe than splitting the Labour Party. Momentum have the NEC and a lot of the local grassroots seen up so I'm not sure where the leavers could go. Going is the easy bit but having no grass roots or union money to get reelected????

[Rayvin 5329]

Yeah true enough - merge into the Lib Dems I suppose...? I don't know in truth, it's just hard to imagine how they'll go on from here. They could sit out a few years and return, when Corbynism fails, but I don't think I'd ever vote for them again even with time to let this nonsense fade into memory.

 

They might just give up I guess, and move on to other careers. Unlikely but you never know.

[ewerk 31233]

[Christmas Tree 4858]

Hard to concentrate on PMQ's today

 

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3991]

Hard to concentrate on PMQ's today

 

 

 

Is that because you're thick?

[ewerk 31233]

http://www.greatbritishpolitics.co.uk/magazine/304-which-labour-leader-are-you.html

 

Result: Ed Miliband

 

Edited September 8, 2016 by ewerk

[Christmas Tree 4858]

Hugh Gaitskell

[Meenzer 15742]

Result: Hugh Gaitskell

 

You will fight, and fight, and fight again for what you believe. And what you believe is so aggressively modern, you're always 30 years ahead of your time

 

[Christmas Tree 4858]

All makes sense

 

He was loved and hated for his confrontational leadership and brutal frankness. He is best known as being founder of the right-wing revisionism in the Labour Party known as Gaitskellism.

[Christmas Tree 4858]

makes sense that i got it, apart from the fact he was never PM, cause i would've won

 

but you getting it , no, nono

Well right wing Labour is certainly getting into my political spread.

[Ayatollah Hermione 14078]

Well right wing Labour is certainly getting into my political spread.

Along with sausage rolls and mini pizzas

[Rayvin 5329]

I got Gordon Brown. Which I'm ok with, oddly enough

[Renton 22025]

Tony Blair.

 

"You're a ruthless winner. Ideology means nothing to you, so long as you get to rule. If everyone's good, you might create the minimum wage. But only if everyone's good".

 

 

Might add I don't agree with that sentence at all. The test is bollocks.

[Christmas Tree 4858]

Tony Blair.

 

"You're a ruthless winner. Ideology means nothing to you, so long as you get to rule. If everyone's good, you might create the minimum wage. But only if everyone's good".

 

 

Might add I don't agree with that sentence at all. The test is bollocks.

Behind the mask

[Christmas Tree 4858]

So Grammar schools.

 

Not a subject that I've given much thought too.

 

The ideal would be every child having the intelligence and access to a level of teaching that grammar schools offer. However thats a pipe dream that's not going to happen and probably wouldn't suit a lot of kids anyway. (Social reasons and different kinds of intelligence other than academic).

 

So, If we want to be an economic success in the world then it makes sense at some point to try and identify the cream.

 

However I would like this option to be fully available to every child and determined in a way that avoids rich parents simply tutoring kids for the test. It's unfair to the system AND possibly the child.

 

Similarly, we should have a similar route for those who are technically gifted.

 

The rest can go to comp and become accountants, IT etc.

 

Thoughts?

[Renton 22025]

So Grammar schools.

 

Not a subject that I've given much thought too.

 

The ideal would be every child having the intelligence and access to a level of teaching that grammar schools offer. However thats a pipe dream that's not going to happen and probably wouldn't suit a lot of kids anyway. (Social reasons and different kinds of intelligence other than academic).

 

So, If we want to be an economic success in the world then it makes sense at some point to try and identify the cream.

 

However I would like this option to be fully available to every child and determined in a way that avoids rich parents simply tutoring kids for the test. It's unfair to the system AND possibly the child.

 

Similarly, we should have a similar route for those who are technically gifted.

 

The rest can go to comp and become accountants, IT etc.

 

Thoughts?

 

"The rest can go to comp"

 

My thoughts are do you know what comprehensive means?

 

I'm interested in how you're going to avoid rich parents using the system to their benefit. It's a fundamental flaw with selective schooling.

[Rayvin 5329]

Broadly agree with CT's utopian vision, but it's really hard to cater for the hugely increased challenges that kids from disadvantaged backgrounds have without actually tackling social inequality in general. They need to start on making the economy fairer (and, I would argue, offering better mental health services to people from disadvantaged backgrounds).

 

You could do really extreme things like remove all children from their parents until they're 10, offering them all an equal chance at development; that would level the playing field but no one would vote for it

[Christmas Tree 4858]

"The rest can go to comp"

 

My thoughts are do you know what comprehensive means?

 

I'm interested in how you're going to avoid rich parents using the system to their benefit. It's a fundamental flaw with selective schooling.

I don't claim to have the answer hence "thoughts?"

[Gemmill 46154]

903,000 people now on zero hours contracts. Up 21%. And people wonder why we have such dismal productivity per capita.

[Dr Gloom 22188]

grammar schools don't do anything to improve social mobility and there is no aggregate improvement in results in areas that are selective - see kent. 

 

it's also just unfair on kids to take a test at the tender age of 11 that will define their future. all kids learn differently and at different speeds. 

[ewerk 31233]

There were plenty at my school from a variety of backgrounds.

[Renton 22025]

You could do really extreme things like remove all children from their parents until they're 10, offering them all an equal chance at development; that would level the playing field but no one would vote for it

Catch me on an off day and I would.

[NJS 4411]

grammar schools don't do anything to improve social mobility and there is no aggregate improvement in results in areas that are selective - see kent.

 

it's also just unfair on kids to take a test at the tender age of 11 that will define their future. all kids learn differently and at different speeds.

My view.

 

The people who want grammars don't consider two points:

 

What if their kids don't get in.

 

If they do what happens to the failers .

 

Selfish cunts ie tories in other words.

[ewerk 31233]

My view.

 

The people who want grammars don't consider two points:

 

What if their kids don't get in.

 

If they do what happens to the failers .

 

Selfish cunts ie tories in other words.

 

We have a grammar school system here and we generally outperform the rest of the UK every year when it comes to exam results. Maybe it can work.