Politics

[Christmas Tree 4835]

 

I think I prefer what would usually be a majority labour group of councillors holding the purse strings than potentially a single tory mayor.

Each to their own. :-)

 

However Tories usually run very good councils at at the end of the day if their shit, you vote them out.

 

Personally I don't think it's a good thing to continually have the same party in power. Leads to all sorts of complacency / wrongdoings.

[ewerk 31209]

Easy to run councils when you aren't faced with the same hardships as Labour councils.

[Christmas Tree 4835]

Easy to run councils when you aren't faced with the same hardships as Labour councils.

Rubbish. You deal with the hand your dealt. There's plenty of tough areas in blue

 

 

 

However my main gripe is that very few things in life run at their true potential when there is no competition.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3976]

Rubbish. You deal with the hand your dealt. There's plenty of tough areas in blue

 

 

Fuck me but you're a mindless cunt.

 

However my main gripe is that very few things in life run at their true potential when there is no competition.

Fuck me but you're a mindless cunt.

Edited May 5, 2016 by Kevin Carr's Gloves

[Christmas Tree 4835]

Cheers, i was struggling to drop off zzzzzz

[ChezGiven 0]

One of the stupidest articles I've ever read.

[NJS 4411]

Rubbish. You deal with the hand your dealt. There's plenty of tough areas in blue

 

 

 

However my main gripe is that very few things in life run at their true potential when there is no competition.

You are staggeringly stupid.

 

Rural and rich inner cities councils virtually run themselves. The social services are minimal and decisions tend to be on trivial matters of police budgets for the nonexistent crime and how much to spend on council functions.

 

Inner city councils in deprived areas have to deal with all that comes with the problems of poverty and general lower incomes like crime, social services and welfare issues.

 

Add in political budget setting from Whitehall and you have an even more skewed system.

 

All of this illustrates once again your complete ignorance of the world around you.

[ewerk 31209]

Not a bad night for Labour but nothing that'll have the Tories running scared.

[Rayvin 5299]

Makes you think though, if not for the SNP there'd be a very different landscape to British politics. They've successfully split the left.

 

That aside, not a bad night at all given the concerted campaign made against Corbyn. Unlikely to face a coup now at least, unless Sadiq Kahn has messed up.

 

Happy enough with it but there's clearly work for Labour to do. Not sure why so many people voted for a party that's about to become an irrelevance (UKIP) but there we go.

[ewerk 31209]

Still not much evidence that Corbyn is going to fuel a Labour resurgence.

[Renton 22003]

It's a fucking terrible night for labour man. At this stage in the electoral cycle they should be winning dozens of seats not losing them, which is what is happening. Especially so considering the unpopularity of the incompetent and split itself Tory government. They've even managed to come third in Scotland to the conservatives! Think about that for a second.

 

And yet, as Rayvin says, because they're not losing that many seats it keeps Corbyn in place ready for the inevitable turkey shoot in 4 years. 15 years of conservative rule, a lost generation of opportunity for the young.

 

BTW, thought CT was too intelligent for this thread, and was going to stay away?

[NJS 4411]

It's turned out to be a mistake to oppose independence but I can see why they did it - I think it was fair enough to have a vote but think Scotland is better off in the UK.

[Dr Gloom 22163]

Agree with Renton. Another poor night for Labour, which is hard to believe given the fractured state of the government and their failed policies. It says something about the luck of trust the public has in the opposition when people keep voting for these cunts. And the less said about Scotland for Labour, the better.

[Dr Gloom 22163]

The one plus should be the Kahn victory, I suppose. Something for Corbyn to cling to. Not that they agree on many policies

[Gemmill 46037]

Never trust the Scottish.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3976]

It's turned out to be a mistake to oppose independence but I can see why they did it - I think it was fair enough to have a vote but think Scotland is better off in the UK.

It wasn't just opposition to independence it was getting comfy with the tories and labelling anyone who voted for independence as sub human (vermin was the phrase used). They cut off both sides of their support and have floundered with no direction since.

[Howmanheyman 33852]

The Scottish situation was perfectly played by the Tories media branch. Ungrounded media led fear of becoming pally with the SNP fucked over labour and as usual new labour danced to the tune of not upsetting the media/Tory voters and did more harm than good by alienating left wing Scottish voters. I don't think corbyn was leader then.

[Dickie 0]

I'm happy it wasn't a total disaster in England. Yes, oppositions should be doing well in the locals at this stage but there is a fuck load of inertia from 20 years of new Labour, plus ongoing stigmas of Iraq and the financial crisis, to overcome, not to mention the concerted and incredibly cynical campaign by most of the media. Scotland was a write off at this stage - there's no way anyone could have expected Labour to make any improvements up there so soon after last year's debacle. It's unfortunate they've slipped behind the Tories but there you go. Things are going to get a lot worse in England and Scotland over the next 5 years. I just hope that the unprecedented groundswell of support that Corbyn received at the end of last year continues and continues to be spread further into the mainstream, fueled by growing realisation that the Tories are a pack of evil, self-serving wankers. It is happening, but they have to play the long game. I am frankly amazed and hugely impressed that Corbyn is still leading the party in the face of the onslaught he has faced in the last few months. He may be unelectable as a lot of people say - that remains to be seen. But what he and his supporters are doing is important. I don't think it is necessarily consigning us to another generation of Tory government - getting a more electable Blairite in last year, now or next year isn't what the country needs in my opinion - that would just be continuing along the same Thatcher-Blair-Cameron trajectory, albeit at a less acute angle than the one we're on at the moment under Cameron-Osbourne. Loved Benjamin Zephaniah's tribute to Corbyn on Question Time last night (even though Dimbelby picked him up on an unfortunate turn of phrase like the snidey, cynical Tory prick he is). I think Corbyn's a canny bloke and he's doing a good and important thing for this country, and I don't think last night's results are disaster by means, especially if Khan wins in London.

[ewerk 31209]

What exactly is he doing?

[Dickie 0]

As I see it he's putting forward an alternative to Thatcherism. The country is horrible and getting more and more so all the time. More selfish and self-serving. I think it's good to have a bloke like him leading the Labour party, trying to get the focus off making money and looking after yourself as the be all and end all of life in this country. Just my opinion like.

[Christmas Tree 4835]

It's a fucking terrible night for labour man. At this stage in the electoral cycle they should be winning dozens of seats not losing them, which is what is happening. Especially so considering the unpopularity of the incompetent and split itself Tory government. They've even managed to come third in Scotland to the conservatives! Think about that for a second.

 

And yet, as Rayvin says, because they're not losing that many seats it keeps Corbyn in place ready for the inevitable turkey shoot in 4 years. 15 years of conservative rule, a lost generation of opportunity for the young.

 

BTW, thought CT was too intelligent for this thread, and was going to stay away?

For once we are in agreement.

 

Appalling night for Labour. 3rd party now in Scotland and the first opposition in 30 years to have a net loss of council seats. (Some still to count).

 

There would be a coup tomorrow if it wasn't for the left wing infiltration of the Labour Party.

[Gemmill 46037]

I could sit and listen to CT talk politics all day.

[Rayvin 5299]

As I see it he's putting forward an alternative to Thatcherism. The country is horrible and getting more and more so all the time. More selfish and self-serving. I think it's good to have a bloke like him leading the Labour party, trying to get the focus off making money and looking after yourself as the be all and end all of life in this country. Just my opinion like.

Agreed, but you and I are in a minority on this one apparently.

 

Not as small a minority as some would have you believe based on last night though

[ewerk 31209]

As I see it he's putting forward an alternative to Thatcherism.

 

As a fairly casual observer I haven't heard him say much of anything tbh.

[Renton 22003]

@@Dickie

"I just hope that the unprecedented groundswell of support that Corbyn received at the end of last year continues and continues".

 

This is utter delusion. I'm speechless. Forgetting the politics do a minute, as ewerk says, what has Corbyn done. He's done fuck all to damage probably the most reviled administration in living history. To quote a former poster, he's a shambles of a man. Nice bloke maybe (don't know personally) but hopelessly out of his depth. It would take a very strong character to get people to buy his idealist philosophy, he's nowhere near up to it.