Politics

[Alex 35083]

[toonotl 2979]

Things are accelerating fast here. We're approaching exit speed for a CT flounce. This must be what it feels like to send a chimp into space.

[Dr Gloom 21924]

from the beeb

 

 

 

Thirteen million UK families will lose average of £260 a year due to Budget's freeze on working-age benefits, says the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS).

The think tank said as many as three million families in the UK are likely to lose an average of £1,000.

Even taking into account higher wages, people receiving tax credits would be "significantly worse off," said Paul Johnson, director of the IFS.

The chancellor said most workers would be better off under Budget changes.

George Osborne said anyone working full-time on the National Minimum Wage - taking into account taxation changes - would be better off.

 

same old tories tbh. it's always the poor that are shafted

Edited July 9, 2015 by Dr Gloom

[Gemmill 44890]

That story will barely get picked up in the main papers, sadly. We'll be treated to BRITAIN GETS A PAY RISE front pages instead and no one will look beyond that.

[NJS 4386]

The way they push the message that anyone who works is fine and anyone who claims benefits is subhuman despite the overlap is fucking sickening. That's before you count well off people closely guarding child benefit.

[Alex 35083]

Nice touch them stopping maintenance grants for lower income students as well. Know your place poor people.

[NJS 4386]

And exempting under 25s from their "living wage" increase as well. I know they think they can do it because that age group don't vote but they might do eventually.

[Renton 21627]

And them losing housing benefit.

 

Thing is, if CT was being honest about his poverty, he'd be hundreds if not thousands down after this budget. Not to mention the effect on his kids, with the young being utterly shafted.

 

You don't think he might have lied do you.

[Ayatollah Hermione 13869]

And them losing housing benefit.

 

Thing is, if CT was being honest about his poverty, he'd be hundreds if not thousands down after this budget. Not to mention the effect on his kids, with the young being utterly shafted.

 

You don't think he might have lied do you.

 

The bloke pisses about with a metal detector and hits refresh on this place all day. He's not in need of more Taxi-ing hours, clearly.

Edited July 9, 2015 by Ayatollah Hermione

[Christmas Tree 4725]

And them losing housing benefit.

 

Thing is, if CT was being honest about his poverty, he'd be hundreds if not thousands down after this budget. Not to mention the effect on his kids, with the young being utterly shafted.

 

You don't think he might have lied do you.

Depends how fickle you are really.

 

Benefits should be there as a safety net for the old, disabled, unemployed, sick etc. What labour did under Brown was allow them to get totally out of control.

 

All parties agreed the benefit bill was far too high and needed addressing.

 

I may well lose money but I believe in a smaller state, work paying and welfare being a safety net. Nobody likes losing money but that doesn't mean it's wrong to try and rebalance the system.

 

Child benefit is another one that well paid people shouldn't get.

 

As for my kids they have been brought up to work and or learn. They have always worked even while going to college and uni.

 

I'm also quite happy for the younger two to be growing up in a society where work or learn is the choice. More importantly to grow up in a country that can sort its finances and create jobs.

 

We won't agree but hey ho.

[Gemmill 44890]

Gross.

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

If the Tories continue to asset strip at the rate they have been there'll be nothing left for the next few generations.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/09/young-people-george-osborne-chancellor-cuts-budget

[Alex 35083]

Depends how fickle you are really.

 

Benefits should be there as a safety net for the old, disabled, unemployed, sick etc. What labour did under Brown was allow them to get totally out of control.

 

All parties agreed the benefit bill was far too high and needed addressing.

 

I may well lose money but I believe in a smaller state, work paying and welfare being a safety net. Nobody likes losing money but that doesn't mean it's wrong to try and rebalance the system.

 

Child benefit is another one that well paid people shouldn't get.

 

As for my kids they have been brought up to work and or learn. They have always worked even while going to college and uni.

 

I'm also quite happy for the younger two to be growing up in a society where work or learn is the choice. More importantly to grow up in a country that can sort its finances and create jobs.

 

We won't agree but hey ho.

The banking crisis cost many, many times more. If it was really all about fairness then why hasn't that been addressed? And why have the financial institutions been allowed to go back to behaving like it never happened? Why should the bloke in the street foot nearly all the bill? Labour wouldn't have the balls to tackle that either because the media, with its vested inertests would've savaged them so it's not a party political point as such but the talk about fairness, hardworking families, giving Britain a pay rise etc. are soundbites for idiots. Like you. You're being shafted (although not that much I would guess, which is why you don't care) and kidding yourself it's 'fair'. It's anything but. I fucking despise the politicians for letting it happen.

[Dr Gloom 21924]

i despise labour for being too scared to challenge the tory lie on austerity.

[Alex 35083]

i despise labour for being too scared to challenge the tory lie on austerity.

Think I said as much at the time. They deserved everything they got. Not that it fucking matters to most of them either.

[Dr Gloom 21924]

you have to wonder where labour goes from here. Jeremy Corbyn is the only proper socialist among the leadership candidates but even if he wins, he'll be under pressure to move to the centre to win over the middle england vote.

[JJ 0]

http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-workndole-swindle/

 

Pretty good read.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

you have to wonder where labour goes from here. Jeremy Corbyn is the only proper socialist among the leadership candidates but even if he wins, he'll be under pressure to move to the centre to win over the middle england vote.

Labour are screwed really.

 

SNP have Scotland tucked up

UKIP have stolen their voters

Economic outlook looks good for Conservatives.

No inspiring leadership option.

[Renton 21627]

Depends how fickle you are really.

 

Benefits should be there as a safety net for the old, disabled, unemployed, sick etc. What labour did under Brown was allow them to get totally out of control.

 

All parties agreed the benefit bill was far too high and needed addressing.

 

I may well lose money but I believe in a smaller state, work paying and welfare being a safety net. Nobody likes losing money but that doesn't mean it's wrong to try and rebalance the system.

 

Child benefit is another one that well paid people shouldn't get.

 

As for my kids they have been brought up to work and or learn. They have always worked even while going to college and uni.

 

I'm also quite happy for the younger two to be growing up in a society where work or learn is the choice. More importantly to grow up in a country that can sort its finances and create jobs.

 

We won't agree but hey ho.

Interestingly I'm the complete opposite. I earn too much to receive benefits of any kind, but would be happy to pay MORE tax to support people who really need it and create a fairer society where there was really opportunity.

 

I've done the calculator thing, and apparently I'll be 300 quid better off which I admit makes fuck all difference to me and will be wiped out by the public pay sector freeze anyway (btw, that'll be 10 years without a cost of living rise at the end of this parliament but that's another story).

 

I have to question then, when I created a hypothetical situation where everything was equal but I massively reduced my salary, I came out 1350 quid worse off. Now that would make a HUGE difference to me if I was already on that pay.

 

So go on, explain to me how this is remotely fair then, I dare you. I double dare you.

[Renton 21627]

Oh,btw, if I hear the phrase 'hard working families' again.... Set of cunts.

[NJS 4386]

The worst thing about budgets is they illustrate perfectly Kinnock's line about "How will this affect me?, how much better off will I be?" - the complete increase in selfishness and lack of empathy comes down to one thing - 35 years of Tory rule.

[strawb 4258]

Using that calculator I will be £80 better off. But I live in a property rented from a private landlord, so the my rent is probably going to go up because of the restriction of tax on the landlord.

 

Maybe the rent on parliament members rented properties in London will go up and I can pay for that too?

[NJS 4386]

It's a good point that they didn't think that landlords would increase rents to cover tax which makes them stupid or they did realise and knew that would wipe out any gain on pay for a shit load of people which makes them cunts.

[strawb 4258]

Its pretty simple, like as an example, landlord owns a house which pays for itself and makes £200 profit a month. Once these restrictions are in place it will make them £50. How are they going to make that £150 quid up?

 

If only I could afford to buy a house a £999k house in the home counties

[Christmas Tree 4725]

Interestingly I'm the complete opposite. I earn too much to receive benefits of any kind, but would be happy to pay MORE tax to support people who really need it and create a fairer society where there was really opportunity.

 

I've done the calculator thing, and apparently I'll be 300 quid better off which I admit makes fuck all difference to me and will be wiped out by the public pay sector freeze anyway (btw, that'll be 10 years without a cost of living rise at the end of this parliament but that's another story).

 

I have to question then, when I created a hypothetical situation where everything was equal but I massively reduced my salary, I came out 1350 quid worse off. Now that would make a HUGE difference to me if I was already on that pay.

 

So go on, explain to me how this is remotely fair then, I dare you. I double dare you.

I can't really understand that last paragraph????

 

Do you have kids? If so you receive child benefit.

 

I will probably lose over a grand a year, but while I'd rather have it, most working class people I know have always considered tax credits as a nice little something for nothing.

 

It's a dependency that's been created and of course nobody wants it taken away, but I have no problem with the state been run within its means and welfare focussed on the really needy.