PaddockLad 16991 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I think nationalisation of industries and utilities was in a way a thank you to the generaration who put a stop to Nazism. They certainly deserved what used to be called the "post war certainties" and the near full employment that came with them. We'd never had it before and when those who had voted Labour in immediately after the war, giving birth to our greatest institution the NHS in the process, started retiring they sold the whole fuckin lot off. Now they're almost all gone the suits are going to complete the job and do the same to the NHS. History might judge the mid to late 20th century way of doing things with a fair amount of astonishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44106 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 One of the best ones he's ever done. The whole game is rigged top to bottom wherever you look, whatever you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34724 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Might've been posted before but I suppose its pertinent anyway with the election looming: https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3788 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Might've been posted before but I suppose its pertinent anyway with the election looming: https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ Thats's a shit website it should give you a list of policies which you select then do the matching. After my third set of six pages I just gave up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34724 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Don't worry, it won't be long before each party's manifesto can be covered in 140 characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21760 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Here are the parties you selected 10%10%30%50% Green Party 50% Liberal Democrats 30% Labour 10% UKIP 10% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21760 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 i'm a bit freaked out by the 10% ukip .. not sure which one that was! reinforces my view that the greens are the party left that are worth voting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3788 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Don't worry, it won't be long before each party's manifesto can be covered in 140 characters. It should be maybe not characters but 140 sentences of cast iron straight forward promises. Most manifestos are complete and utter bollocks anyway with stuff in they have no intention of upholding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4355 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 "We won't be cunts" would be a start. Obviously one non-starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3788 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 "We won't be cunts" would be a start. Obviously one non-starter. No one would believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 One of the best ones he's ever done. The whole game is rigged top to bottom wherever you look, whatever you do. Really hypocritical. Its ok for him to earn massive amounts of money and fight the corner of the poor but it's not ok for politicians to represent their constituents and also earn money from big business? I think he has that right as I believe politicians also have that right. I don't see the line of injustice he is peddling here. If we want clever people running the country then we have to expect they take advantage of their intelligence and earn the sort of money they are able to. There may well be people who think 60k a year is more than enough 'reward' for serving the public interest but I think those people are few and far between. Running a country is a very difficult job. I want the very best people available to do this job. I don't want to rely on the small sub-group of these people who will do it for love. These are great people but imo not enough of them exist. If you have the skills to run a country then you are a special type of person. Politicians should be amongst the best paid people in the country. Teachers and Nurses do the most amazing work, if you believe they should be paid more because of their social worth then politicians who affect many hundreds of thousands of people more should also be paid more. A politician's work touches more people than a teacher'. However, I want teachers and nurses to be paid more because they do the most important work for any society. By the same logic, I think politicians should also be paid more to incentivize the best people to join politics. Am not saying they shouldnt be held accountable for their influence and of course, their business interests need to be monitored and be publicly scrutinised. I just think we need to encourage the best people to do the hardest jobs. Perhaps if these people didnt need to supplement their income from outside business interests we wouldn't have corruptible politicians? If they earned a lot of money to start with, wouldn't it be harder to corrupt them? I don't know but it seems ridiculous to expect the most important job to be rewarded by the most average income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10669 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Surely politicians earning more for their day job is an entirely reasonable position. As is (at the same time) being concerned that their secondary income undoubtedly affecting their policy decisions. Politics should attract the best, and to get the best you need to pay competitive salaries. However those in political office shouldn't fatten. Their pocket by taking ~Cash for influence~. Just look at which Tory MPs benefit from further privatisation of the NHS, of the dissolution of the BBC as we know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13760 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I got 80% Greens, 20% Labour if anyone's wondering. If the Greens had any chance of winning seats and making a difference, I'd be excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3788 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Really hypocritical. Its ok for him to earn massive amounts of money and fight the corner of the poor but it's not ok for politicians to represent their constituents and also earn money from big business? I think he has that right as I believe politicians also have that right. I don't see the line of injustice he is peddling here. If we want clever people running the country then we have to expect they take advantage of their intelligence and earn the sort of money they are able to. There may well be people who think 60k a year is more than enough 'reward' for serving the public interest but I think those people are few and far between. Running a country is a very difficult job. I want the very best people available to do this job. I don't want to rely on the small sub-group of these people who will do it for love. These are great people but imo not enough of them exist. If you have the skills to run a country then you are a special type of person. Politicians should be amongst the best paid people in the country. Teachers and Nurses do the most amazing work, if you believe they should be paid more because of their social worth then politicians who affect many hundreds of thousands of people more should also be paid more. A politician's work touches more people than a teacher'. However, I want teachers and nurses to be paid more because they do the most important work for any society. By the same logic, I think politicians should also be paid more to incentivize the best people to join politics. Am not saying they shouldnt be held accountable for their influence and of course, their business interests need to be monitored and be publicly scrutinised. I just think we need to encourage the best people to do the hardest jobs. Perhaps if these people didnt need to supplement their income from outside business interests we wouldn't have corruptible politicians? If they earned a lot of money to start with, wouldn't it be harder to corrupt them? I don't know but it seems ridiculous to expect the most important job to be rewarded by the most average income. But it doesn't attract the best and brightest and they can do all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6964 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I've always had a mixed bag of beliefs. Right wing on crime, drugs, benefit cheats etc, left wing on appropriate immigration, stopping the wars and nuclear weapons funding and the NHS, and green leaning on stoppng the planet being fucked within a century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30164 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Im 50% Lab, 25% Lib Dem and 25% UKIP. That questionnaire is 100% bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44106 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I'm 100% sexy and that questionnaire can 100% suck my balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4355 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 That survey suggests that labour are doing something right as when I did that or a similar one before the last election my views were represented best by the liberals but now I get 80/10/10 Labour/Liberal/Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30164 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Cameron is refusing to take part in anything other than the sham debate filled with every Tom, Dick and Harry. Bottling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 16991 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I remember last time "I agree with Nick"....anyone agree with the fucker this time round?... A complete and utter waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44106 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 It is a waste of time, but Cameron's pathetic refusal to answer the question as to whether he would participate has been pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4355 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Cameron and Milliband are both trying to sleepwalk to some kind of victory. Cameron hopes laying low only to emerge to mutter "recovery" will work and Milliband hopes not even emerging will work (although at least he was game for a debate). Nobody wants or has a vision to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15347 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I remember last time "I agree with Nick"....anyone agree with the fucker this time round?... This time it'll be "I'll probably need to go into coalition with Nick so I'd better be nice to him" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34724 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 This time it'll be "I'll probably need to go into coalition with Nick so I'd better be nice to him" Current analysis (which has been pretty constant since the Scottish Independence referendum) suggests a hung parliament with Labour as the biggest but the Lib Dems not even having enough seats to hold the balance of power. That honour looks like falling to the SNP. Alex Salmond may well have played a blinder. And NJS is spot on about the two main parties and their so-called leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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