Politics

[Howmanheyman 32923]

I'm considering the unlucky 1600 who are now out of work because the government fancied selling more nationalised stuff off. Never mind. Some people made a few hundred quid on the shares.

Edited March 25, 2014 by Howmanheyman

[ewerk 30409]

I'm considering the unlucky 1600 who are now out of work because the government fancied selling more nationalised stuff off. Never mind. Some people made a few hundred quid on the shares.

I have every sympathy with the 1300 who will be out of work but the hard fact is that it appears that they aren't needed. It is very unfortunate but if the roles aren't needed then they should they be kept on for the sake of it?

[ewerk 30409]

Were they needed before privatisation ewerk?

Clearly not. It's no secret that many government owned organisations aren't exactly beacons of efficiency.

[Kid Dynamite 7012]

I have every sympathy with the 1300 who will be out of work but the hard fact is that it appears that they aren't needed. It is very unfortunate but if the roles aren't needed then they should they be kept on for the sake of it?

That's not a hard fact, it's your supposition.

 

This government has cut 3000 mental health nurses. I can tell you they definitely are needed and their loss is simply down to cutting costs and priming the NHS to be sold off to the highest bidder/s

[PaddockLad 17173]

Theres a vote today in Parliament about a proposal to cap benefits, and a very recently privitised business sheds 1600 jobs the same week. This after the business was sold off on the cheap so the Bullingdon Boys' muckers in the city could make mega profits when it was sold off. As J says, the NHS is going the same way, dismantled bit by bit by those whose mantra of "nothing is allowed to exist unless it makes a whopping profit" is accpeted as the norm nowadays after 30-odd years of rampant profiteering and globalisation. Good luck with private healthcare folks. we'll fuckin need it.

[ewerk 30409]

That's not a hard fact, it's your supposition.

 

This government has cut 3000 mental health nurses. I can tell you they definitely are needed and their loss is simply down to cutting costs and priming the NHS to be sold off to the highest bidder/s

The two situations aren't even comparable.

[ewerk 30409]

This after the business was sold off on the cheap so the Bullingdon Boys' muckers in the city could make mega profits when it was sold off.

You believe that was Vince Cable's motivation?

[Sonatine 11331]

[The Fish 10823]

Is a "Sheepish Cable" a poo that won't come?

[Kid Dynamite 7012]

The two situations aren't even comparable.

They are entirely comparable. The government has essentially privatised 2 of the biggest national assets and is cutting jobs in the thousands, not because they need cutting but because it's more money for the people at the top of the pile

[Christmas Tree 4715]

They are entirely comparable. The government has essentially privatised 2 of the biggest national assets and is cutting jobs in the thousands, not because they need cutting but because it's more money for the people at the top of the pile

Your an idiot. Under Labour Royal Mail in one year alone lost over 1 billion. That's why Labour wanted to privatise it. It was a badly run mess of a company.

 

As for the NHS, under Labours spending plans (had they won) it would be getting less money than it it is now.

 

 

[The Fish 10823]

I'd like it if Tories understood that modern Labour doesn't hold the same values as actual Left Wing folk.

 

As if the actions of this Labour are somehow reflections of anything other than Thatcher's demonisation and subsequent sacrifice of the North.

[Meenzer 15467]

Red Ed, innit

[Howmanheyman 32923]

They are entirely comparable. The government has essentially privatised 2 of the biggest national assets and is cutting jobs in the thousands, not because they need cutting but because it's more money for the people at the top of the pile

 

 

Your an idiot. Under Labour Royal Mail in one year alone lost over 1 billion. That's why Labour wanted to privatise it. It was a badly run mess of a company.

 

As for the NHS, under Labours spending plans (had they won) it would be getting less money than it it is now.

 

 

[ewerk 30409]

They are entirely comparable. The government has essentially privatised 2 of the biggest national assets and is cutting jobs in the thousands, not because they need cutting but because it's more money for the people at the top of the pile

 

The government clearly hasn't nationalised the NHS in the same way. Yes private business is involved in it far too much and should be rolled back. The NHS is not and should not be a business, it does need to be efficient but the wellbeing of the end user should be the overriding consideration in any sort of NHS decision making.

 

The Royal Mail is an out of date postal service. How many of us actually use the Royal Mail for personal use these days? In 2014 the government has no business running a postal service, it's an antiquated idea that is largely irrelevant in the 21st century. To compare this with the creeping privatisation of the NHS is ludicrous.

[ChezGiven 0]

Some political philosophers consider the right to receive mass marketing mail shots, bills, bank statements and pizza delivery menus as a fundamental right. They see this as part of the Aristotlean concept of 'eudaimonia' which describes those things humans need to lead a 'flourishing' life. As the market can't provide this efficiently and fairly to all, governments should intervene and provide the services which allow people to lead better lives....

 

Nah, doesn't really work. Healthcare is different so we care about fairness. Postal services have to change with the times.

[Park Life 71]

Made a profit of 23m in 2012.

[Christmas Tree 4715]

Made a profit of 23m in 2012.

Having been prepared for privatisation.

[ewerk 30409]

£23m You know what I do with £23m? I wipe my ass with £23m.

[ewerk 30409]

So it looks like ATOS are getting the boot from the Fit to Work programme. A whole six months before their five year contract was due to end anyway. It's utterly ridiculous that they were paid to do this for four and a half years when it was obvious that they weren't doing their job properly. Though they were taking a lot of people off disability which is what the government was after in the first place.

[trophyshy 7077]

They never should have branched out from selling clothes tbh.

[Monroe Transfer 0]

Prime Minister's Questions, man...



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26854208

Actually sat there laughing at the lot of them. Luckily I'm able to separate the humour from the fact that they're debating such serious matters in such a ridiculous way.

Bet Miliband was up all night, full of excitement about letting his "not so much the Wolf of Wall Street, more the Dunce of Downing Street" quip out.

[Howmanheyman 32923]

Prime Minister's Questions, man...

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26854208

 

Actually sat there laughing at the lot of them. Luckily I'm able to separate the humour from the fact that they're debating such serious matters in such a ridiculous way.

 

Bet Miliband was up all night, full of excitement about letting his "not so much the Wolf of Wall Street, more the Dunce of Downing Street" quip out.

Snap. Turned it off before it was finished. Pathetic to see.

[ewerk 30409]

Bye bye, Mrs. Miller.

 

[PaddockLad 17173]

Beware the fake patriots' anger on immigration

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/19/pity-poor-immigrants-coming-to-britain

 

We are a common-law democracy, with limits of the power of the state. We are not a country where police officers can demand to see your papers or stop and search you without good reason. We are not a country where you have to prove you are entitled to treatment before a doctor will help you. The talk-radio hosts' screams and the tantrums of Ukip and the Tories will tear that old country down and create, for all their Euroscepticism, a Britain far closer to a Napoleonic Europe.