desmondTUTU 0 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Still hasn't answered the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 43066 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 More random speak from the man with nothing to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15716 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 fist-TUTUlite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565121/So-White-Dee-does-feel-poster-girl-thats-wrong-Britain.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3965 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565121/So-White-Dee-does-feel-poster-girl-thats-wrong-Britain.html Is there a point anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Is there a point anywhere? That's a terrible way to sum up life kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15716 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Is there a point anywhere? "Jan Moir is a horrible cunt", but we knew that already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11542 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Renton 21985 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Sums up politics in 2014 UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 So proud of my country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2991 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 The president 's abode in the Ukraine. Luxurious digs contain a zoo, galleon, and more. Greed! http://zyalt.livejournal.com/1007568.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Park Life 71 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Sums up politics in 2014 UK. It's been rigged for ages now. Politics is just a sideshow. The real deals happen in multinational boardrooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4821 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 Former Labour cabinet minister Patricia Hewitt allegedly called for the age of consent to be reduced to as low as 10. From 1974 to 1983, the former Labour MP was general secretary for the National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL), when it granted "affiliate" status to the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE). The ex-Health Secretary has apologised and conceded she had been "naive and wrong" about the group, which wanted to make child sex legal, and that as general secretary she took responsibility for the mistakes. Sky's Political Correspondent Sophy Ridge said: "I think the timing of this (apology), well you can draw your own conclusions, it came a day before The Sun uncovered concrete evidence linking her to some very controversial policies." It is alleged that in March 1976 Mrs Hewitt put her name to a NCCL press release, that not only supported abolishing incest as a crime, but also lowering the age of consent. The press release, obtained by The Sun, quoted her as saying: "NCCL proposes that the age of consent should be lowered to 14, with special provision for situations where the partners are close in age, or where consent of a child over 10 can be proved." The policy caused controversy at the time and Sky News has uncovered a letter sent to Ms Hewitt in July 1976 by a woman, a member of the public, who expressed her concerns. The woman wrote: "I really feel that if you consider you must protect men, rather than little girls, then you cannot be taken seriously." Ridge said: "Clearly, some people were worried about the policies that the NCCL were pursuing." In her first public response to the allegations on Thursday night, Ms Hewitt said any suggestion she condoned or supported the "vile crimes" of child abusers was "completely untrue". She said: "As general secretary then, I take responsibility for the mistakes we made. I got it wrong on PIE and I apologise for having done so. "I should have urged the executive committee to take stronger measures to protect NCCL's integrity from the activities of PIE members and sympathisers and I deeply regret not having done so." She, along with Labour's deputy leader Harriet Harman and her MP husband Jack Dromey - who also worked at the NCCL - have been accused in a series of Daily Mail articles of being sympathetic to paedophiles. Ms Hewitt also defended the roles played by Ms Harman and Mr Dromey, a Labour frontbencher. "When Jack Dromey, as NCCL chairman in 1976, vigorously opposed PIE at the NCCL AGM, he did so with the full support of the executive committee and myself as general secretary," she said. "Harriet did not join the NCCL staff until 1978. She was one of two legal officers, neither of whom was a member of the executive committee." Unlike Ms Hewitt, Ms Harman, the NCCL legal officer from 1978 to 1982, has refused to apologise saying there was no reason for her to do so, but she "expressed regret" PIE ever existed. PIE, which has now been disbanded, was founded by Tom O'Carroll, who has been described as a "sexually predatory" paedophile. He was allowed to make a speech at the NCCL spring conference in 1977. Forget party politics as I'm sure all sides had people of the same ilk, but quite astonishing (to me anyway) that in such reent times as this people were pushing policy's so abhorrent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46026 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 With a name like PIE, I would have thought you'd have more sympathy for her. There but for the grace of God, you would have been all over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 The higher reaches of power is riddled with this kind of thing. Mostly cause the powerful are over subscribed with psychopaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46026 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 And lizards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Turned out the lizards were safer. Who knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 What a thoroughly disgusting woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 The age of consent in Spain is 14 and I think its 13 in Holland - obviously 10 sounds abhorrent especially as the motivtaion was an opportunity for older pervs but its still a grey area for me as nature has its own ideas - basically puberty is the stage where evolution thinks humans are ready and I don't think the human race would have survived if our ancestors had waited until 16 or 18. As I said the motivation was dodgy but the way any debate about the age of consent is closed down by paedo hysteria is wrong imo - I would see nothing wrong with decriminilising two 14 year olds having sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Well two 14 year olds are unlikely to be prosecuted for having sex together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 The age of consent in Spain is 14 and I think its 13 in Holland - obviously 10 sounds abhorrent especially as the motivtaion was an opportunity for older pervs but its still a grey area for me as nature has its own ideas - basically puberty is the stage where evolution thinks humans are ready and I don't think the human race would have survived if our ancestors had waited until 16 or 18.As I said the motivation was dodgy but the way any debate about the age of consent is closed down by paedo hysteria is wrong imo - I would see nothing wrong with decriminilising two 14 year olds having sex. Stop right there, don't go any further. Anyone with that opinion is either a paedophile or someone who clearly does not grasp the morals in life. 16 is young enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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