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Just watched it. Good on Campbell, the Mail really is disgusting like, didn't realise they had a photo on their website of the gravestone of Ralph Miliband, with the caption 'Grave Socialist'.

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No one hates Britain as much as the Daily Mail.

[Sonatine 11329]

While Ralph Miliband was fighting in Normandy, Paul Dacre's father was avoiding the front-line

Published on October 1 2013

(not satire - it's Paul Dacre!)

 

I have it on good authority that foul-mouthed Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre is very proud of his father. On becoming editor of the Mail he even revived his father's column Ephraim Hardcastle as a tribute to him.

Which makes the bizarre attack on Ed Milband's father by the Mail even stranger.

In 1944 when the 22-year old Ralph Miliband was bravely risking his life storming German positions protecting the Normandy beaches, Paul Dacre's 19-year-old father Peter Dacre was working in London as a show business reporter for newspapers such as the Daily Express.

Quite how a fit 19-year-old managed to avoid call-up to the front line at that time God only knows.

Perhaps show business reporters - like coal miners - were considered just as essential to the war effort as fighting soldiers?

Whatever the reason - you'd think Mr Dacre would want to avoid comparisons between the two men. Wouldn't you?

 

 

Try the new and improved Are You Hated By the Daily Mail quiz

 

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Edited October 2, 2013 by Andrew

[Howmanheyman 32887]

Will these full time unemployed workers, (I know), be collecting the minimum wage? If so they should be putting in roughly seven hours for whatever they're forced to do. If not I'd be taking legal advice.

[Howmanheyman 32887]

Will any companies be getting away using these dole paid workers instead of paying someone the princley, (cough), sum of £6.18 instead?

[Howmanheyman 32887]

Will they pay for their bait? work boots, PPE if required? Travel expenses? Will there be childcare costs?

[ewerk 30393]

There's also the cost of who is going to be dealing with those attending the job centre 35 hours a week. The whole scheme is apparently going to cost £300m, I haven't seen any figures detailing the apparent benefits to the taxpayer.

[Sonatine 11329]

If its anything like that Work Program, less successful than the Job Centre in getting people a job, then I suspect that the only people who will benefit will be the firms that get the contracts to run this scheme.

[sweetleftpeg 0]

I find what your saying difficult to comprehend. Not knowing anyone on jsa,i find i difficult to comprehend that there really is skilled, willing workers unable to find employment.

 

An example is, my mother took voluntary redundancy last year. She hasn't sought enjoyment since. Last week she applied for a position stacking shelves at the local coop. Got an interview and got the job. She is 50 odd, no particular qualifications , and has been away from a working environment for 12months.

 

I dont intend to sound arrogant but from my experiences i genuinely haven't known anyone who really wants a job become long term unemployed.

I work with the unemployed. Not for the Job Centre by the way and not for one of the private companies out to make a profit on getting people into jobs, and it is a nightmare getting a job at the minute regardless of skills. It's actually part of my job to keep an eye on the job market and what's going on. Put it this way, if I was offered voluntary redundancy I'd be an idiot to take it. We're seeing people who've done this thinking the job market is like it was 10 years ago and getting the shock of their life. The days of walking out of a job and into another one are long gone. Despite what certain right wing press papers would have you believe, the majority of the unemployed would really like a job. There was a snooty woman on the radio the other day accusing someone who couldn't get a job of being 'too picky'. If only man. I'm not saying there aren't knackers out there who are trying to beat the system, but punishing everyone for these tits is not the answer.

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JSA is a massive £56.80 per week for under 25s btw. What proportion of welfare spend is that? Answer: 3%

 

Looks like it's too much for Cameron, he's looking to cut it according to his speech today.

[Howmanheyman 32887]

 

Looks like it's too much for Cameron, he's looking to cut it according to his speech today.

He needs to cut his shit and some of his speech writers if he wants to impress me.

[Meenzer 15466]

 

 

 

[Howmanheyman 32887]

Hardworking? When was the last time Cameron or Osbourne had to walk to the post office to get their giro then cross the road to carry eight cans back in a placca bag to have some supplies to watch a game with?

[Phil 6]

Will they pay for their bait? work boots, PPE if required? Travel expenses? Will there be childcare costs?

See this is the issue with politics.

 

Short term headlines aimed at splitting the parties into rich vs poor.

 

There's nothing wrong with trying to instil working values in the long term unemployed. Obviously for it to work the scheme would have to be voluntary.

 

It's a sad fact but employers are unlikely to hire someone with a year gap on their CV.

 

 

Labour spends too much and the tories spend too little. Both are basically shit so I'm probably going to vote Lib Dem, at least the "carrier bag" tax is a workable.

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Labour spends too much and the tories spend too little. Both are basically shit so I'm probably going to vote Lib Dem, at least the "carrier bag" tax is a workable.

 

I'm a Lib Dem member and even I won't be voting for them. You, sir, are to be commended.

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I'm a Lib Dem member and even I won't be voting for them. You, sir, are to be commended.

What have they done wrong?

 

I thought 10k tax allowance was quite a coop.

 

Sure the alternative vote fell didnt pay out, but getting it was a massive achievement.

 

I also think they took a massive sting out of the conservative cuts.

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What have they done wrong?

 

Fair question. They do deserve a bit more slack than they're going to get next time round - this country is desperately immature when it comes to the workings of coalition politics and what to expect from the junior partner in the coalition.

 

On the other hand, I think they deserve a pretty firm kicking for getting so much so wrong, even with the excuse of it being their first time in power. The need for compromise and jettisoning some of your core policies in coalition goes without saying (even if we can't get our heads round it as voters); resolving to compromise on and jettison so many of the policies that are central to your very existence as a party and that are really important to your core voter base, though, strikes me as naive at best. And plenty of those who are (somehow) still in thrall of Clegg don't seem to have realised just how unpopular they've become with the public - and there's only one way to drive that message home...

 

That said, I'm still a member because I want to be there when the post-2015 restart begins and because I fundamentally believe [a] in the need for a strong third (or fourth... or fifth...) party - that isn't fucking UKIP - and in the fundamental decency of most Lib Dems and their close affinity to the natural socially-conscious/soft-socialist/centrist tendencies of most of this country's population, even if the parliamentary party has been led astray by Mummy's boys like Clegg and Danny Alexander.

 

Besides, I might feel very differently about where my vote's going next time if I didn't live in one of the safest Labour seats outside the North. Round here it frankly doesn't make a blind bit of difference where I scrawl my X.

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The lib dems will get a kicking in the next election and rightly so. The tories intend to privitise the nhs by 2020, they strongly oppose but don't have the balls to do anything. The student fee upto 9k fiasco was appalling aswell.

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The lib dems will get a kicking in the next election and rightly so. The tories intend to privitise the nhs by 2020, they strongly oppose but don't have the balls to do anything. The student fee upto 9k fiasco was appalling aswell.

Privatisation has already begun in the NHS and was started by Labour. I haven't seen or heard anything about plans for 2020.

 

Any links.

[Renton 21435]

I'm a political mackem at the moment. More driven by my absolute hatred of this present Tory government and it's affiliated press than I am by anything positive labour has to offer. Every day I see how the wealth divide in this country is becoming bigger, and how entire sections of society are demonized, and it is genuinely depressing. If Labour had a stronger leader, this would be a cake walk for them. As it is, with the negative campaigning we''ll see by the Tories next election (already started), I'm not so sure.

[Christmas Tree 4711]

I'm a political mackem at the moment. More driven by my absolute hatred of this present Tory government and it's affiliated press than I am by anything positive labour has to offer. Every day I see how the wealth divide in this country is becoming bigger, and how entire sections of society are demonized, and it is genuinely depressing. If Labour had a stronger leader, this would be a cake walk for them. As it is, with the negative campaigning we''ll see by the Tories next election (already started), I'm not so sure.

Can you never just reign it in?

 

"Everyday I see how the wealth divide is becoming bigger"...... Really? How?

 

I work in a job that puts me bang in the middle off all sides of society and I don't see this every day.

 

Labour need to worry more about policies rather than anything else. They haven't got any. Last election their stated policy was to cut spending to the NHS. Do you know what it will be 14 months time?

 

As for the Tories campaign, virtually everything in Cameron's speech was policy related. The Tories have set out lots of direction for a 2nd term and have even been very upfront that more cuts will follow.

 

Labour?...... Nowt

 

It's going to be very close but this is starting to have a feel like the kinnock lights off election. On one side we have a party with a very clear, upfront, managerial approach. On the other we have the dregs left over from the defeated Labour government who have no ideas, no vision and are simply hoping for an anti austerity vote.

 

Hopefully the British public will once again have more sense and give Labour another 5 years in the shadows for some serious policy making.

Edited October 3, 2013 by Christmas Tree

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c2fc7352-25de-11e3-aee8-00144feab7de.html

[Christmas Tree 4711]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c2fc7352-25de-11e3-aee8-00144feab7de.html

Nowt there

[Meenzer 15466]

Can you never just reign it in?

 

Renton, you're ruining everything.