Christmas Tree 4827 Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 Thats trotted out a lot by the Tories. Any independent figures to back it up? I'm sure if there figured to discredit it, you (and the Labour front bench) would have found them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15719 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Oh how wrong you are. From the Socratic dialogues of Plato, through the dialectics of Marx to the eloquent disputatiousness of Radio 4's The Moral Maze, we have long been entranced by the employment of argument and counter-argument, the head-to-head gladiatorial contest that uses logic and reason rather than sword and trident. Generations of 20th-century political scholars learned that the truth might be found, not in the assertions of vested interests, but in a simple mantra: Here is a thesis. There is an anti-thesis. Somewhere between the two is a synthesis, which we can trust to be true. Debate is the human face of theoretical logic. Debate gives us courtroom dramas such as Twelve Angry Men and TV's Perry Mason, where analytical logic and remorseless argument freed the innocent and nailed the bad guys. http://www.independe...al-1929773.html As if you understand any of what you just copy-pasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17654 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I'm sure if there figured to discredit it, you (and the Labour front bench) would have found them. Thats a no then Stop putting words into my mouth CT. I've never made any claims on behalf of any government. You're the one making these claims then googling to see if theres anything to back them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4827 Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 As if you understand any of what you just copy-pasted. You know I do and you love it just as much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15719 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 You know I do and you love it just as much By your own admission, you don't read and have no interest in learning as a concept. Yet now we're supposed to believe that you'll be watching the budget debate while scratching your arse and thinking of Plato and Socrates. Rightio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4827 Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 Thats a no then Stop putting words into my mouth CT. I've never made any claims on behalf of any government. You're the one making these claims then googling to see if theres anything to back them up. If you don't believe it and your bothered, google it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4827 Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 By your own admission, you don't read and have no interest in learning as a concept. Yet now we're supposed to believe that you'll be watching the budget debate while scratching your arse and thinking of Plato and Socrates. Rightio. Admit it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15719 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Admit it! That I enjoy a good informed debate, not that we get any of that in British politics nowadays, least of all at budget time? Well obviously. What's that got to do with your copy-and-paste ignorance though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) They could raise money easily but won't to avoid hurting their paymasters. Get rid of council tax and indtroduce and land and property tax (that way all the expensive properties in London will be caught in the tax net - most are owned by the super rich who pay little or no tax in the UK). Say start at anything worth over 1m. Tax the church on all their land and property (own about 28% of the land in the UK) Tax royal estates (none of which pay direct taxation). Put vat down to 13.5% and scrap any kind of tax on people earning less than 12k. (Disposable income is key to kick starting the economy). Sciences education should be free (if you want ot study the history of art for 4 years pay for it) None of these simple and fair remedies are ever discussed never mind legislated. Then start on the banks. Edited March 20, 2013 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 7000 more people unemployed. Goody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22150 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 the one bit of good news is money for new capital projects. except that the money is only coming from more cuts to departmental spending. and cuts to capital spending ever since the emgency budget means new infrastructure projects will be savagely slow to get off the ground. ironic that it is no longer just the left calling for fiscal stimulus - businesses leaders, the tory right and a growing number of newspaper editorial writers are arguing for it it too. but for now, there's no plan B. osborne stubbornly bettng growth will pick up some time later this year. deluded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22150 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 meanwhile, twitter welcomes george osborne with open arms http://www.buzzfeed.com/lukelewis/the-best-of-the-internets-reaction-to-george-osborne-joining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4827 Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 They could raise money easily but won't to avoid hurting their paymasters. Get rid of council tax and indtroduce and land and property tax (that way all the expensive properties in London will be caught in the tax net - most are owned by the super rich who pay little or no tax in the UK). Say start at anything worth over 1m. Tax the church on all their land and property (own about 28% of the land in the UK) Tax royal estates (none of which pay direct taxation). Put vat down to 13.5% and scrap any kind of tax on people earning less than 12k. (Disposable income is key to kick starting the economy). Sciences education should be free (if you want ot study the history of art for 4 years pay for it) None of these simple and fair remedies are ever discussed never mind legislated. Then start on the banks. Nice approach. Seriously, why wont any of them ever do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4827 Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 the one bit of good news is money for new capital projects. except that the money is only coming from more cuts to departmental spending. and cuts to capital spending ever since the emgency budget means new infrastructure projects will be savagely slow to get off the ground. ironic that it is no longer just the left calling for fiscal stimulus - businesses leaders, the tory right and a growing number of newspaper editorial writers are arguing for it it too. but for now, there's no plan B. osborne stubbornly bettng growth will pick up some time later this year. deluded So you are in favour of borrowing to spend? How much would you borrow and what would you spend it on? If it only recorded a slight upward blip, would you then go back for more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4827 Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) meanwhile, twitter welcomes george osborne with open arms http://www.buzzfeed....osborne-joining Thing is it will be some little intern who has the job of trawling through that. And then having to summarise the days tweeting to George. Edited March 20, 2013 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 43067 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 meanwhile, twitter welcomes george osborne with open arms http://www.buzzfeed....osborne-joining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15719 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Seems appropriate that Osborne should sign up for Twitter on the same day that CT bigs up the debating tactics of Ancient Greeks promoting the art of pederasty, since the former so clearly stems from the culture engendered by the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17654 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Seems appropriate that Osborne should sign up for Twitter on the same day that CT bigs up the debating tactics of Ancient Greeks promoting the art of pederasty, since the former so clearly stems from the culture engendered by the latter. pick the bones out of that on google CT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4827 Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 pick the bones out of that on google CT! All I can pick out of that is Deer Pasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15719 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 All I can pick out of that is Deer Pasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4827 Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 Who's this asking questions at PMQ's!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 43067 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 'paused' on your screenshot- is that white spot the jizz target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/car-buyers-guide/cbg-cars-made-in-britain.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Two of the thickest jackasses in power in the western world surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46031 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Who's this asking questions at PMQ's!!!!! Looking alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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