Politics

[Guest CabayeAye]

They don't any more, especially in areas of deprivation. There are obviously not enough jobs at the moment as a simple google search will tell you, especially for younger people. There are about 70 applicants for each graduate job, but it's much worse than that in some cases.

 

Tell you what though, tell me why unemployment has dramatically risen since the coalition got in power. Do you seriously think it is because of a sudden lack of motivation in the workforce or do you not actually think there might be less jobs around? Whose to blame in either case? The welfare burden was less under Labour and that's also true historically, yet you blame them.

 

The reason there is a surplus of graduates to graduate jobs is that there is a huge surplus of graduates. By lowering the entry requirements to university and creating a large number of Mickey Mouse degrees, being a graduate is no longer considered to be 'Elite'.

 

A few years ago, graduates were generally high quality and would go into professions. Now we have lots of people with shit degrees who are no better than those who didn't go to Uni. These people will be unable to enter a profession, and will feed back into the mainstream workforce, with the added bonus of a student loan to pay off whilst maintaining a healthy chip on their shoulder that they should be in charge, not stacking shelves in Tesco, despite them being pretty useless.

Edited August 23, 2012 by CabayeAye

[Renton 21620]

 

 

The reason there is a surplus of graduates to graduate jobs is that there is a huge surplus of graduates. By lowering the entry requirements to university and creating a large number of Mickey Mouse degrees, being a graduate is no longer considered to be 'Elite'.

 

A few years ago, graduates were generally high quality and would go into professions. Now we have lots of people with shit degrees who are no better than those who didn't go to Uni. These people will be unable to enter a profession, and will feed back into the mainstream workforce, with the added bonus of a student loan to pay off whilst maintaining a healthy chip on their shoulder that they should be in charge, not stacking shelves in Tesco, despite them being pretty useless.

 

Agree to an extent but there is a lack of jobs even for useful degrees and across the board in general. To deny unemployment is a problem is callous and idiotic.

[Guest CabayeAye]

Agree to an extent but there is a lack of jobs even for useful degrees and across the board in general. To deny unemployment is a problem is callous and idiotic.

 

It is a problem, I agree. But it most certainly isn't as bad as some people make out. I know plenty of people in my line of work who are leaving and walking into jobs with ease. In fact, the thing I keep hearing is surprise at just how much work is out there.

[ADP 0]

Yes there are. Go to the job centre and have a look.

 

I did, for a year after I graduated with first class honours in English Literature (which is, admittedly not the most practical of degrees, yet has always been a steady degree demonstrative of particular writing and argumentative skills which has helped for footing in a vast range of careers), repeatedly begging for any jobs that were on the system, the majority of which were for jobs that I was told upon applying that I was either not qualified (or in some instances, over qualified) for, or inexperienced. For a year I was rejected from jobs such as KP work to Office work. Eventually got a job cleaning toilets in an office, and then got one of my current jobs in bar work, and returned to do an MA last October. The entire time I was on the dole, not only was there clearly a lack of opportunities in all areas of employment, but there was also a total lack of understanding on the jobcentre's part. They viewed the people who came in as statistics, rather than people who were desperately looking for any work to pay for their home. I generally have no respect for those people, they are inconsiderate, more bothered about ways to chuck you off the dole, rather than helping you find work. And their motive to do the latter is quota's and bonuses anyway. Of course there are people who abuse the benefit system, but there are also people who want to work, yet cannot get work.

 

 

The reason there is a surplus of graduates to graduate jobs is that there is a huge surplus of graduates. By lowering the entry requirements to university and creating a large number of Mickey Mouse degrees, being a graduate is no longer considered to be 'Elite'.

 

 

In a way you are right, but I know so many people who lack the chip on their shoulder you charge them with who have graduated into a total wasteland of employment, desperately trying to find any work including scrubbing shit off bogs. It's not as simple as 'there are jobs available people just have to look.' People are looking, indeed, so many people are looking and applying, yet only one can get the job at the end of it.

Edited August 23, 2012 by ADP

[Guest CabayeAye]

I did, for a year after I graduated with first class honours in English Literature (which is, admittedly not the most practical of degrees, yet has always been a steady degree demonstrative of particular writing and argumentative skills which has helped for footing in a vast range of careers), repeatedly begging for any jobs that were on the system, the majority of which were for jobs that I was told upon applying that I was either not qualified (or in some instances, over qualified) for, or inexperienced. For a year I was rejected from jobs such as KP work to Office work. Eventually got a job cleaning toilets in an office, and then got one of my current jobs in bar work, and returned to do an MA last October. The entire time I was on the dole, not only was there clearly a lack of opportunities in all areas of employment, but there was also a total lack of understanding on the jobcentre's part. They viewed the people who came in as statistics, rather than people who were desperately looking for any work to pay for their home. I generally have no respect for those people, they are inconsiderate, more bothered about ways to chuck you off the dole, rather than helping you find work. And their motive to do the latter is quota's and bonuses anyway. Of course there are people who abuse the benefit system, but there are also people who want to work, yet cannot get work.

 

 

 

 

In a way you are right, but I know so many people who lack the chip on their shoulder you charge them with who have graduated into a total wasteland of employment, desperately trying to find any work including scrubbing shit off bogs. It's not as simple as 'there are jobs available people just have to look.' People are looking, indeed, so many people are looking and applying, yet only one can get the job at the end of it.

 

I'm not saying EVERYONE has a chip on their shoulder, but I know plenty of people with Mickey Mouse degrees who I wouldn't employ to put the kettle on in my office. But then again, I know plenty of grads and non-grads who are stellar at their jobs. Qualifications simply get you to the interview table. To get the job you have to display basic personal and social skills, something that is totally ignored in today's educational system.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894]

Thatcher - totally fucked the economy by closing down everything except financial services. Started this whole mess off.

Labour - Dished out huge benefits to everyone and created a huge national debt.

Coalition - No balls to do anything. Lots of hot air, but zero action.

 

Lib Dem - Would take us back to the stone age if they got into power.

 

The problem is not individual parties, it's the whole way our parliament is conducted. Proportional voting coupled with short terms power that no-one takes a long term view and every parliament is formed to serve the next one an utter shit sandwich. All this has done is create a nation of feckless morons by taking away empowerment and giving people an entitlement mindset. This means each party only serves the now majority of useless lazy chavs by giving what they want (free money, mindless media, tell them they're great) whilst leaching off the dwindling working class who now graft till they die to keep the proletariat in tabs and TV.

 

It's the opposite of what capitalism used to be, and it's totally fucked. Might as well give up trying, because the only thing that is rewarded these days is uselessness.

 

Now I have slagged Labour for their part in the national debt and refusal to admit they did anything wrong but this bit is bollocks.

 

Labour spent huge amounts of money but generally on upgrades to services and buildings which they financed through PPI's which it turns out was like doing your banking through Wonga.com. Where they went massively wrong was believing they had actually got rid of the boom bust cycle and stupidly believed national income and GDP would keep on growing thus providing the tax and council tax needed to pay for said upgrades. When the crash happened government income dropped hugely overnight and the more people get laid off and become unemployed the more the debt will grow becuase the less tax is being paid.

 

No doubt someone will follow thi shouting the odds that Labour had nothing to do with any of it and it's all the yanks fault.

[Happy Face 29]

Thatcher - totally fucked the economy by closing down everything except financial services. Started this whole mess off.

Labour - Dished out huge benefits to everyone and created a huge national debt.

Coalition - No balls to do anything. Lots of hot air, but zero action.

 

Lib Dem - Would take us back to the stone age if they got into power.

 

The problem is not individual parties, it's the whole way our parliament is conducted. Proportional voting coupled with short terms power that no-one takes a long term view and every parliament is formed to serve the next one an utter shit sandwich. All this has done is create a nation of feckless morons by taking away empowerment and giving people an entitlement mindset. This means each party only serves the now majority of useless lazy chavs by giving what they want (free money, mindless media, tell them they're great) whilst leaching off the dwindling working class who now graft till they die to keep the proletariat in tabs and TV.

 

It's the opposite of what capitalism used to be, and it's totally fucked. Might as well give up trying, because the only thing that is rewarded these days is uselessness.

 

 

Ridiculous.

 

As if the government were beholden to charvers.

 

Never ceases to amaze me how willing people are to blame the least powerful in society.

 

This country was bankrupted by the exact opposite end of the social strata.

[Guest CabayeAye]

 

Ridiculous.

 

As if the government were beholden to charvers.

 

Never ceases to amaze me how willing people are to blame the least powerful in society.

 

This country was bankrupted by the exact opposite end of the social strata.

 

The country was bankrupted by greedy bankers selling ridiculous loans to the stupid knowing full well they'd be unable to pay it back and hoping to cash in on fees whilst knowing there was enough loose cash floating around to secure the future. Once the spare cash disappeared (due to a collective greed of the world's governments being found out), the banks were fucked as Mr and Mrs Thickcunt were unable to pay back their ridiculous 125% mortgage and £40,000 car loan on their £16,000 a year income. Cue Labour squaring everyone away on benefits when unemployment rises and an unhealthy swathe of people go bankrupt. The national debt is shooting up at an alarming rate, and the only way to reduce it is severe austerity measures that include a slashing of public spending. The most annoying part is that whilst public services are being slashed, we are still wasting billions on India's space program, feeding Africans whilst Brits are starving and keeping feral charvers in 50" plasmas and tabs. The solution:

• No foreign aid whatsoever. We are poor enough ourselves.
  
• DO NOT give money to the unemployed. They will just waste it on shite whilst their kids starve. Give them ration packs and if they have children, nappies, clothes vouchers etc. Open community flats for those who can't afford housing.
  
• Anyone who does not have a British passport gets NOTHING WHATSOEVER.
  
• Limit Visas to 30 days out of 365. Only give out work Visas to those in pinch point jobs i.e. Doctors. This will free up millions of jobs that the Charvers will flock to since the benefits gravy train has stopped.
  
• Jobless have to do community service for their Ration packs. This includes bin collecting, street sweeping and working on construction projects. This is how the US got out of their Great Depression and built their road network, Hoover Dam etc.
  
• Outlaw pay day loans. Limit APR on any loan to 10%. Abolish bankruptcy. Debt is for life. Choose paying back, or going to debtors prison.
  
• Slash disability/mobility benefits. Only support those who genuinely need it, i.e. those who are born/made severely physically disabled. Abolish the mobility car racket.
  
• Make education mandatory up to age 18. Stream those suited for academia into GCE O/A level qualifications. Stream non-academics into life skills. Make sport compulsory for 3 hours a week to tackle obesity. Make school dinners healthy and free. Children with attendance (misbehavior counts as non-attendance) below 90% will cause their families to lose rations for the next month. Cue truants/little bastards turning up to school the next day with a black eye from Dad and never misbehaving again.
  
• Establish Child Licences. You have to have a licence for Cars, fishing etc, why not for the most important thing of all - children? Those who chose to procreate without passing the fit-for-parent test and gaining a licence are illegible for ration packs/housing.
  
• Lower PAYE and NI to encourage employment.
  

There are loads of other measures that could be established to cut the national debt and solve the problem of social degeneration. But they won't happen, because if a political party brought out a manifesto like that, they'd pretty much get all of the working/upper/middle class vote but no one in the underclass would vote for them. Unfortunately, the underclass make up the majority of society, so we are stuck with a socialist millstone round our neck for the foreseeable future whilst those who can be bothered to work continue to support the feckless twats who leech of society.

[Renton 21620]

I'd fucking hate to live in your vision of the UK.

[Guest CabayeAye]

I'd fucking hate to live in your vision of the UK.

 

If you worked, you'd pay less tax, have less crime due to higher employment and less illegal immigration and a better education. You'd see less fat kids and have a stable government who genuinely wanted to make the UK a better place rather than feathering their own nests.

 

Are you a charver on benefits who has no interest in working then?

[CleeToonFan 1]

I'd fucking hate to live in your vision of the UK.

 

Couldn't sound more dystopian if you tried

[Guest CabayeAye]

Couldn't sound more dystopian if you tried

 

How is forcing people to better themselves dystopian?!

[Happy Face 29]

 

 

The country was bankrupted by greedy bankers selling ridiculous loans to the stupid knowing full well they'd be unable to pay it back and hoping to cash in on fees whilst knowing there was enough loose cash floating around to secure the future. Once the spare cash disappeared (due to a collective greed of the world's governments being found out), the banks were fucked as Mr and Mrs Thickcunt were unable to pay back their ridiculous 125% mortgage and £40,000 car loan on their £16,000 a year income. Cue Labour squaring everyone away on benefits when unemployment rises and an unhealthy swathe of people go bankrupt. The national debt is shooting up at an alarming rate, and the only way to reduce it is severe austerity measures that include a slashing of public spending. The most annoying part is that whilst public services are being slashed, we are still wasting billions on India's space program, feeding Africans whilst Brits are starving and keeping feral charvers in 50" plasmas and tabs. The solution:

• No foreign aid whatsoever. We are poor enough ourselves.
  
• DO NOT give money to the unemployed. They will just waste it on shite whilst their kids starve. Give them ration packs and if they have children, nappies, clothes vouchers etc. Open community flats for those who can't afford housing.
  
• Anyone who does not have a British passport gets NOTHING WHATSOEVER.
  
• Limit Visas to 30 days out of 365. Only give out work Visas to those in pinch point jobs i.e. Doctors. This will free up millions of jobs that the Charvers will flock to since the benefits gravy train has stopped.
  
• Jobless have to do community service for their Ration packs. This includes bin collecting, street sweeping and working on construction projects. This is how the US got out of their Great Depression and built their road network, Hoover Dam etc.
  
• Outlaw pay day loans. Limit APR on any loan to 10%. Abolish bankruptcy. Debt is for life. Choose paying back, or going to debtors prison.
  
• Slash disability/mobility benefits. Only support those who genuinely need it, i.e. those who are born/made severely physically disabled. Abolish the mobility car racket.
  
• Make education mandatory up to age 18. Stream those suited for academia into GCE O/A level qualifications. Stream non-academics into life skills. Make sport compulsory for 3 hours a week to tackle obesity. Make school dinners healthy and free. Children with attendance (misbehavior counts as non-attendance) below 90% will cause their families to lose rations for the next month. Cue truants/little bastards turning up to school the next day with a black eye from Dad and never misbehaving again.
  
• Establish Child Licences. You have to have a licence for Cars, fishing etc, why not for the most important thing of all - children? Those who chose to procreate without passing the fit-for-parent test and gaining a licence are illegible for ration packs/housing.
  
• Lower PAYE and NI to encourage employment.
  

There are loads of other measures that could be established to cut the national debt and solve the problem of social degeneration. But they won't happen, because if a political party brought out a manifesto like that, they'd pretty much get all of the working/upper/middle class vote but no one in the underclass would vote for them. Unfortunately, the underclass make up the majority of society, so we are stuck with a socialist millstone round our neck for the foreseeable future whilst those who can be bothered to work continue to support the feckless twats who leech of society.

 

Not one of your steps does anything about what you say is the cause though, which was banks lending to people that can't repay.

 

Of course that wasn't the problem. If it was, the banks that had most be debt would have failed.

 

The issue was that they were able to package up all that bad debt and rate it as good debt and sell it on to other lenders and insurers as such.

 

What are your steps to stop that?

[Renton 21620]

 

 

If you worked, you'd pay less tax, have less crime due to higher employment and less illegal immigration and a better education. You'd see less fat kids and have a stable government who genuinely wanted to make the UK a better place rather than feathering their own nests.

 

Are you a charver on benefits who has no interest in working then?

 

No mate, I've got a highly paid job which I don't like much. I believe in social justice and cohesion though, I'm happy paying taxes for this goal.

[Guest CabayeAye]

No mate, I've got a highly paid job which I don't like much. I believe in social justice and cohesion though, I'm happy paying taxes for this goal.

 

Define social justice. In fact define social.

 

I believe in a meritocracy where hard work and ability are rewarded and laziness gets you starving on the streets. I believe that people should fulfill their potential and everyone is given the opportunity to rise to the top.

Edited August 25, 2012 by CabayeAye

[Renton 21620]

No. Can't be arsed frankly because I suspect you're on a wind up. Point is, your vision is a nightmare.

 

Anyone can be made redundant, it could happen to either of us. You think it would be just to be forced to work as a slave for rations and for your kids to suffer. I don't. Also, regarding banning bankruptcy. My mate had a business employing about 100 people in manufacturing. In 2009, through no fault of his own, his company lost all it's orders and went bankrupt. You'd have him and his family 2 kids) working in a poor house if you had your way. You don't believe on meritocracy, you believe in cuntishness.

[Guest CabayeAye]

No. Can't be arsed frankly because I suspect you're on a wind up. Point is, your vision is a nightmare.

 

Anyone can be made redundant, it could happen to either of us. You think it would be just to be forced to work as a slave for rations and for your kids to suffer. I don't. Also, regarding banning bankruptcy. My mate had a business employing about 100 people in manufacturing. In 2009, through no fault of his own, his company lost all it's orders and went bankrupt. You'd have him and his family 2 kids) working in a poor house if you had your way. You don't believe on meritocracy, you believe in cuntishness.

 

How is my vision a nightmare for anyone other than the lazy? I think there's more to your mates case than he tells you. You're saying he lost ALL of his orders through bad luck, and he has no contingency plan? And his company could employ 100 people, but couldn't absorb a bit of a dry period. I suspect that his business would have to have been insolvent for a while for it not only to fold, but to collapse with enough debt to cause him to go bankrupt.

[Renton 21620]

You know fuck all about it, I don't give a shit what you suspect. Anyone can lose their job, and any company can fold, especially during the worst recession in living memory. You have no compassion at all which is reflected in your extreme right wing views. If you don't like the taxes and socialist aspects of this country you're welcome to fuck off to any country that will be unfortunate enough to have you.

[Guest CabayeAye]

You know fuck all about it, I don't give a shit what you suspect. Anyone can lose their job, and any company can fold, especially during the worst recession in living memory. You have no compassion at all which is reflected in your extreme right wing views. If you don't like the taxes and socialist aspects of this country you're welcome to fuck off to any country that will be unfortunate enough to have you.

 

Calm down, comrade.

[Renton 21620]

Perfectly calm.

[Guest CabayeAye]

That's not a smile, that's a grimace!

 

A grimace born out of the imminent collapse of the Lib Dems, you lentil munching hippy!

 

[Renton 21620]

Eh? Do you think I'm a Lib Dem?

 

Now I fucking well am offended.

 

P.S. one of the problems using an iPhone on this board is trying to remember the syntax for smilies.

[paulus 0]

Politic's is such an Emotive subject for very good reason's.

If the Politicians and Governments of the world actually came clean... informed the People they purport to represent, how they have colluded to, and Enslaved, robbed, stolen, beaten, murdered, every human on the planet in the last 100 years. The whole lot of them would be lynched. It's high time they all, and there masters, the banker's put up against a wall. For the Heinous crimes they continue to commit against all humanity.

 

 

"The Bankers Opt to Rule the World

There is afoot, a brilliant, albeit treacherous, scheme to control ALL the people and ALL the property of

ALL the world. I wish I’d thought of it. I did suspect it at a very young age but of course had no reason to

think I was so intuitive and accurate. Over the past 45 years, my suspicions have been corroborated,

evidenced, and in fact played out. One could say that I anticipated it and hence it became my reality, and I

shall expound upon this later, yet right now I intend to tell what is going on in order for you to have the

option of changing your mind about how you manage your commercial affairs. World domination via

confiscation of your $$$ is already on tap. England and the Rothschilds control the $$$ of every country

of the world and therefore its laws. Two hundred years ago, Governor Cornwallis said, “The US will bring

in the New World Order and its seat will be England.”

It may appear that what goes on is happenstance, but the gov’t most surely has planned it. – FDR

FDR was giving us a ‘heads up’ on what is really going on. His head, along with that of every other

world leader, was/ is at the end of a gun. They are doing as they are told by the Zionist Illuminati Masonic

conspiracy/ Powers That Be (hereinafter PTB). What happened is all documented and if you investigate you

can find a plethora of information along with case law, codes, rules, regulations, statutes, legislation, etc"

 

Read...http://www.freedomfiles.org/mary-book.pdf

[Park Life 71]

That's a bit.....expansive eh?

[ChezGiven 0]

...http://www.freedomfi...g/mary-book.pdf

:lol: