Dr Gloom 22518 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) He fell out with Megan Kelly but even then they kissed and made up and they've given him direct access to the nation on tap on one of the most influential news platforms (whatever you think of them) with the number of live hits they've given him, enabling him in the same way the beeb and others here did with Farage or some other UKIP cunt on question time every week for what felt like forever in the run up to the Brexit vote.. To say fox haven't been Trump's cheerleaders or that somehow the American mainstream media have all rallied behind Clinton is just not true. Edited November 8, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22518 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Fox have been more negative about Trump... Than they have Clinton... They couldn't get enough of him man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Those stats do appear to suggest you're wrong on the MSM coverage mate... Looks pretty clear cut that they were against Trump. I mean, that doesn't mean very much except that the media are losing control of the situation now as well. Which is actually a good thing - if they're less penetrating in terms of persuading people to vote one way or another, that is good news for democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) My mind boggles that the MSM take down of Trump is even in doubt in here. Some outlets were running half a dozen negative stories on Trump on rotation every day. Edited November 8, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22518 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 fox news enabled Trump. This is not news - look it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22518 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) They were fawning over him at the start of the year. Trump used to boast of how little he spent in ads - he didn't need to given how he played the media and how good he was at getting free airtime. If you'd been in the states this year you'd have lost count of the number of times Trump appeared on the channel - let alone the number times he dialled in. It was daily Edited November 8, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 fox news enabled Trump. This is not news - look it up. I just did, and presented the evidence. You dismissed the experts from a Harvard research centre http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-national-conventions/ What would you like looked up instead? An opinion piece on Politico? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) They were fawning over him at the start of the year. Trump used to boast of how little he spent in ads - he didn't need to given how he played the media and how good he was at getting free airtime. If you'd been in the states this year you'd have lost count of the number of times Trump appeared on the channel - let alone the number times he dialled in. It was daily The MSM have put Trump to the sword all the data shows it. They are the Globalist attack dogs after all. Edited November 8, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 They were fawning over him at the start of the year. Trump used to boast of how little he spent in ads - he didn't need to given how he played the media and how good he was at getting free airtime. If you'd been in the states this year you'd have lost count of the number of times Trump appeared on the channel - let alone the number times he dialled in. It was daily That's fair. There are 3 reports spanning different times at that link. I took the one from the conventions as the latest. But coverage of Trump was much more positive early on when he was a comedy boost for viewing figures. And the report on that period reflects that. The entire media has collectively rejected him as an outsider since he got the nomination though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22518 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Sean hannity is one of fox's top thee stars, along with Kelly and o'Riley. He's basically Been acting as Trump's media strategist for the campaign and officially endorsed him in a tv ad. Look it up people - I'm not making any of this up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 Sean hannity is one of fox's top thee stars, along with Kelly and o'Riley. He's basically Been acting as Trump's media strategist for the campaign and officially endorsed him in a tv ad. Look it up people - I'm not making any of this up Anecdotal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Sean hannity is one of fox's top thee stars, along with Kelly and o'Riley. He's basically Been acting as Trump's media strategist for the campaign and officially endorsed him in a tv ad. Look it up people - I'm not making any of this up I don't think anyone is saying that this specific point isn't true... just that Hannity clearly doesn't speak for Fox in entirety. And that the graph HF put forward shows that only 30%ish of their coverage was positive towards him. Maybe that 30% was Hannity? In general though, they've been opposed by a margin of two stories to one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15863 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 When a dangerous idiot is threatening to become leader of the free world, what you really want is a supine media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/09/media-justify-anti-trump-bias-claim-hes-too-dangerous-for-normal-rules.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22518 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Anecdotal Trump even referenced him in one of the debates man - is that empirical enough for you? When he was being quizzed on his claims he was against the invasion of Iraq war, he kept banging on some conversation he'd had with his best bud Hannity. "Ask Sean, he'll tell you I'm not lying", or some shit. Despite him being widely on the record as having supported it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) When a dangerous idiot is threatening to become leader of the free world, what you really want is a supine media. With respect, what you want at all times is a media without an agenda that reports on facts. Impossible, but that'd be the goal. I'd settle for a media that is powerless to control the wills of voters though - which appears to be the direction we're taking. Keep in mind that the right wing media very much played its part in creating this storm through decades of yammering on about immigrants and the like. Edited November 8, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 When a dangerous idiot is threatening to become leader of the free world, what you really want is a supine media. Not arguing that. Just showing that Trump has been slammed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) This time it might be Trump but what about next time....? As a I said a couple of weeks ago there needs to be rules reg the media at election times. There needs to be a limit on campaign funds and scrutiny of special interests. Or America is just going to end up with big bank, multi-national 1% friendly presidents forever. This is hurting the vast maj of Americans and their foreign policy is hurting the whole world. Edited November 8, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22518 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 I don't think anyone is saying that this specific point isn't true... just that Hannity clearly doesn't speak for Fox in entirety. And that the graph HF put forward shows that only 30%ish of their coverage was positive towards him. Maybe that 30% was Hannity? In general though, they've been opposed by a margin of two stories to one. What I'm saying is they were massive enablers and cheer leaders, particularly in the early days, and a sizable chunk of their biggest stars still back him on a station that isn't known for being balanced. Murdoch might have got cold feet since the convention but he's played a huge role in giving trump the platform to get to where he is today. This is not even up for debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 Trump even referenced him in one of the debates man - is that empirical enough for you? When he was being quizzed on his claims he was against the invasion of Iraq war, he kept banging on some conversation he'd had with his best bud Hannity. "Ask Sean, he'll tell you I'm not lying", or some shit. Despite him being widely on the record as having supported it. It's one celebrity endorsement. We're talking about media trends across the board. Just because Paul Krugman has been steadfast in his unyielding support for Clinton, no-one would claim for a second she's had an easy ride with widespread media backing.... though she has had a better press than Trump. As she should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Gloom has gone full Renton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5572 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 This time it might be Trump but what about next time....? As a I said a couple of weeks ago there needs to be rules reg the media at election times. There needs to be a limit on campaign funds and scrutiny of special interests. Or America is just going to end up with big bank, multi-national 1% friendly presidents forever. This is hurting the vast maj of Americans and their foreign policy is hurting the whole world. Agreed. But it won't happen since it would hurt the Neolibs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/09/media-justify-anti-trump-bias-claim-hes-too-dangerous-for-normal-rules.html The illusion of balance in the news has been a problem for much too long. "This democrat thinks this and this republican thinks that, you decide who is right and buy these pop tarts while you think about it" You would hope the complete disregard for this illusory balance would be a good thing in the long run and mainstream media would be more inclined to do fact based reporting. It won't happen though. They can all agree Trump is bad, when he's dispatched, then they'll get back to arguing around the edges of bi-partisan orthodoxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22518 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Does anyone on here ever even watch Fox News? If, like me, you've been unlucky enough to sit through much of it, you'd know Trump has been exclusively hiding out on the channel for the duration of campaign, even if they too have finally shifted their main editorial line. As the unofficial broadcaster of the GOP they couldn't get enough of him. Just like the beeb did with UKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 47072 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Isn't "look it up people" one of Trump's lines? If it isn't, it should be. Gloom is transforming before out very eyes. GLUMP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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