ChezGiven 0 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 None of this changes the fact that of the 6 games Spurs and Swansea have played after the EL since September, 3 losses, 2 draws and 1 last minute win against a shit Cardiff. There are too many confounding facfors just to hoy up points won over the 3 separate seasons as proof that the above form is not related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Don't follow how your narrow analysis of cherry picked games this year is more valid than the over arching trend of past seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Don't follow how your narrow analysis of cherry picked games this year is more valid than the over arching trend of past seasons. Looking at your post earlier. The teams on the up, investing and spending are more than compensating for the additional strains. The clubs that didnt have the resources or the owner to do that (us, Fulham, Villa, Stoke) all did worse. Its virtually impossible to disentangle the impact of resources spent, the changing speed and fitness levels of the game, the levelling of the premier league field in terms of spend across the league etc etc. It renders analyses across time too complicated. Looking at it simply, Laudrup said it doesnt make a difference. For his teams, in his circumstances, it looks like it has. Loads of other factors going on, from club to club and manager to manager, with different players there will be different abilities to cope with extra games. I just assume this was Pardew's way of blaming Ashley without saying it directly. The EL does make a difference, you can compensate for it by actually improving the squad depth and quality. If you dont, it will have an impact. Not true for everyone but for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Far too many factors that need controlling before a straightforward results comparison can be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Quality of squad Difficulty of fixtures Size of squad Quality of manager Injuries Luck Etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Looking at your post earlier. The teams on the up, investing and spending are more than compensating for the additional strains. The clubs that didnt have the resources or the owner to do that (us, Fulham, Villa, Stoke) all did worse. Its virtually impossible to disentangle the impact of resources spent, the changing speed and fitness levels of the game, the levelling of the premier league field in terms of spend across the league etc etc. It renders analyses across time too complicated. Looking at it simply, Laudrup said it doesnt make a difference. For his teams, in his circumstances, it looks like it has. Loads of other factors going on, from club to club and manager to manager, with different players there will be different abilities to cope with extra games. I just assume this was Pardew's way of blaming Ashley without saying it directly. The EL does make a difference, you can compensate for it by actually improving the squad depth and quality. If you dont, it will have an impact. Not true for everyone but for some. I agree with all that.....but of the teams that spent or didn't, or had injury woes or not, or had harder games after Europa or not, Pardew's drop off from his qualifying season to the next was worse than ANY other manager has suffered, by a long way....and that's despite his record in games after a europa fixture being BETTER than his record in games without one. There's not many teams that over perform to the extent we did in 11/12 though. Last year Swansea qualified in 9th so if they finish 16th it won't be viewed as such a disastrous showing comparatively. Spurs won't drop off to any great degree because they've spent all the Bale money. Pardew has been a victim of his own success there, no doubt, but Everton, Villa and Fulham are the ones you can compare with us, clubs that finished 5th to 7th and didn't really invest to push on. They all fell off the pace the next year, but none of them anywhere close to the extent we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30297 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 http://www.prozonesports.com/news-article-analysis-the-europa-league-and-the-thursday-night-effect.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 http://www.prozonesports.com/news-article-analysis-the-europa-league-and-the-thursday-night-effect.htmlIf you think about it, those differences are not big over a 12 year period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 If you have squad depth to enable rotation I can't imagine how it can ever be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30297 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 If you have squad depth to enable rotation I can't imagine how it can ever be an issue. Really? If you have an away Europa fixture then that is going to take up at least four days of the manager's and squad's time in preparation and travelling. It isn't just about the physical exertion of playing 90 minutes but the disruption and mental fatigue that goes along with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Really? If you have an away Europa fixture then that is going to take up at least four days of the manager's and squad's time in preparation and travelling. It isn't just about the physical exertion of playing 90 minutes but the disruption and mental fatigue that goes along with it. I think that's why Pardew did better in the league after a Europa game. No time to fill their heads with shite. They just went an played their game more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I think that's why Pardew did better in the league after a Europa game. No time to fill their heads with shite. They just went an played their game more. I will never ever forget his screaming, "Hit Ba...Hit Ba!!" at everybody as soon as they got the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Clough went through some games just shouting "fucking hell!!!" Or "get up!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I will never ever forget his screaming, "Hit Ba...Hit Ba!!" at everybody as soon as they got the ball. That's better than his hit Shola battle cry in the second half of last season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32795 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Does he shout 'Run, Forrest, run!' when Obertan has the ball and then shout 'Run, Forrest, run but take the ball with you this time!' the second time he gets the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 This our squad is tiny even for domestic campaigns. especially if you filter it out form quality. Our squad isn't tiny. We could do with another striker, but we're pretty well stocked in most areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 http://www.prozonesports.com/news-article-analysis-the-europa-league-and-the-thursday-night-effect.html Settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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