Christmas Tree 4725 Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 I have to admit that while I in no way endorse CT's mad ramblings, I do feel there's something missing with Jonas this season. Last season he did a fantastic job in supporting Raylor and in the second half of the season he seemed to reinvent himself in a more central role linking up brilliantly with Tiote and Cabaye. This season though he's been generally deployed back on the left (not sure where CT got that he was playing on the right from as he clearly wasn't to anyone with eyes) but he no longer seems to want drive forward and link up with Santon like he did with ricky. His crossing has always been a weakness so there's no real change there but he's not carrying the ball like he was. It's hard to criticise him too much though given the poor displays or injuries to those around him. Is he having to play to much? Is he carrying an injury (I suspect he's the type of bloke who will try his best to play with knocks while there are others who won't play unless 100%)? Is he just a symptom of the general under performing this season? Or are his legs starting to go? All of these things are possible (at 29 though you'd be a little surprised if it was the latter) and I do have a feeling that this may be his last season as a purple but I don't think we have anyone who can come in and do a better job than him at the minute. Shane has struggled when he's had more than a short spell, Sameobi is a headless chicken, it doesn't surprise me at all that Marveaux played his best game for us more centrally as he doesn't seem to really be a wide player, and Obertan? I can't believe even CT would make such a ridiculous suggestion. I think he will need replacing from outside the squad and who knows what the likelihood of that is. We certainly haven't been linked with anyone lately who would be a replacement! A few points of order! I dont think Ive said Jonas played on the right? Obertan played well on the left against Bordeaux or Bruge? Who replaces Jonas really depends on the system. Are we replacing the mazy running Jonas of two years ago or the defensive midfield jonas of last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17238 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Tbf, Pardew is already going to have a headache when Ben Arfa returns against Fulham following Marveauxs display. Who gets dropped for Ben Arfa? Marveaux, Cisse, Jonas? I suspect it will be Cisse as Marveaux definitely warrants another start if we play the same formation, but it may not be that clear cut now that Pardew sees we have the players to play it on the ground. Depends. Was Ba's err "hamstring" injury last night, at the end of a game he's ran his bollocks off in, slightly convenient? If we never see him in a black and white shirt again I'd be surprised, but not that surprised But Shola will probably replace him... Who ended up the 3rd man up front last night then?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1244 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I think he was meant to be playing as the right of the 3 behind Ba. It was however his usual sort of right midfield role where operates in front of the left back. Is this not you saying he was playing on the right? And regardless of which of your Jonas's is being replaced, I still don't believe we have anyone to replace him. Obertan's had one decent game among a season and a half of utter shite against a team that give him all the time and space he could cope with. He's shown time and time again that he doesn't have the heart or bottle for the premiership. I personally would be delighted to see him shipped out as soon as humanly possible as he will never make any meaningful contribution to the club while he's here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 Depends. Was Ba's err "hamstring" injury last night, at the end of a game he's ran his bollocks off in, slightly convenient? If we never see him in a black and white shirt again I'd be surprised, but not that surprised But Shola will probably replace him... Who ended up the 3rd man up front last night then?... Not sure. It seemed to end up a bit of a mish mash of sitting back as the game ran out and we then went down to 10 men. As 5-0 was one of my bets I was willing all out attack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 Is this not you saying he was playing on the right? And regardless of which of your Jonas's is being replaced, I still don't believe we have anyone to replace him. Obertan's had one decent game among a season and a half of utter shite against a team that give him all the time and space he could cope with. He's shown time and time again that he doesn't have the heart or bottle for the premiership. I personally would be delighted to see him shipped out as soon as humanly possible as he will never make any meaningful contribution to the club while he's here. fair cop, rights and lefts mixed up in the same sentence! Re Jonas, if it was a 433 and Ba, Cisse and HBA fill the front three then there are any number of candidates to replace Jonas in that 3 such as Anita, Marveaux, Big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1244 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 fair cop, rights and lefts mixed up in the same sentence! Re Jonas, if it was a 433 and Ba, Cisse and HBA fill the front three then there are any number of candidates to replace Jonas in that 3 such as Anita, Marveaux, Big. I'll let you off if it was just a moment of not being able to get your words out. I did wonder what the fuck you were going on about like I agree if you change back to the formation of last season then Anita would be the player who would most likely fill his role (I actually thought this was the whole point behind signing Anita in the first place and mentioned it when he signed) but it's also more than possible that Jonas could contribute more in the same way he did last season back in that role. The only problem is you get people like my dad complaining that he's not getting down the wing when he's clearly not supposed to be fulfilling that role in the formation. But then again the old man's clocking on a bit and can't get his head round these new fangled formations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Is Jonas finished...In my opinion no way. Very important senior player and captain when needed to fill that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 I'll let you off if it was just a moment of not being able to get your words out. I did wonder what the fuck you were going on about like I agree if you change back to the formation of last season then Anita would be the player who would most likely fill his role (I actually thought this was the whole point behind signing Anita in the first place and mentioned it when he signed) but it's also more than possible that Jonas could contribute more in the same way he did last season back in that role. The only problem is you get people like my dad complaining that he's not getting down the wing when he's clearly not supposed to be fulfilling that role in the formation. But then again the old man's clocking on a bit and can't get his head round these new fangled formations! Son! Is that you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1244 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I fucking hope not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Community is pretty good btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 I'll let you off if it was just a moment of not being able to get your words out. I did wonder what the fuck you were going on about like I agree if you change back to the formation of last season then Anita would be the player who would most likely fill his role (I actually thought this was the whole point behind signing Anita in the first place and mentioned it when he signed) but it's also more than possible that Jonas could contribute more in the same way he did last season back in that role. The only problem is you get people like my dad complaining that he's not getting down the wing when he's clearly not supposed to be fulfilling that role in the formation. But then again the old man's clocking on a bit and can't get his head round these new fangled formations! Obviously Im not a Jonas fan, but I think if someone comes in and does well then you should stick with them in most instances. At Fulham I would go with. Krul Simpson Williamson Coloccini Santon Anita Tiote HBA Marveaux Ba Cisse I think you could find the front four swapping around and causing mayhem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21911 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 so basically CT, it looks like you're the only one that thinks he's finished. what a surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) Seems to have lost his energy and work rate (which Pards covets) from the days he was protecting the full back (Raylor) and making the odd sortie up the pitch. Think it's pretty clear the left side of midfield is ripe for a rethink. Looks like Marv might be a good candidate to play there. Wouldn't say he's finished, still time for a few of his misdirected fluffed crosses that bring amusement and sighs in equal measure. Edited December 4, 2012 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 298 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Are his legs starting to go or are all the games catching up with him and he needs a rest? He'd be a big miss. I hope that when he ultimately can't play at Premiership level anymore then we can move him (and Colo) onto the coaching staff. You can tell they have a positive influence in the club that has seen us start up on the right track again. QFT. Personally I think he plays a solid role for us, but he has been fairly substandard this year. He's always frustrated me, as I think he would be loved more if he wasn't afraid to shoot more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Glimpses of his old self in the 2nd half against Fulham. ( only glimpses though ) It does however make you wonder how much this over defensive role has sucked the attacking play from him. Edited December 12, 2012 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 He was shit. I'm sure you do this on purpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Have a look at old footage of Jonas vs Man Utd when he got here, or against valencia - and tell me he is not but a shadow of the player he once was. Jonas is finished on this level, only reason he is being played is because our piece of shit manager covets defensive wingers ( an oxymoron itself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 It's not really an oxymoron is it. A female man on the other hand..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35056 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Have a look at old footage of Jonas vs Man Utd when he got here, or against valencia - and tell me he is not but a shadow of the player he once was. Jonas is finished on this level, only reason he is being played is because our piece of shit manager covets defensive wingers ( an oxymoron itself) I don't think he's ever lived up to that debut though so it's a bit of a daft comparison. Comparing him to last year would make more sense. He's clearly struggling. I think the reason he's being played though is because of the lack of options but I'm not sure why I should have to explain that or indeed what is the point in stating the blindingly obvious to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Still decent. But it should be his last season as an automatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 Still decent. But it should be his last season as an automatic. So you would still prefer a midfield three of Cabaye Tiote and Jonas over Cabaye Tiote and Anita? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) So you would still prefer a midfield three of Cabaye Tiote and Jonas over Cabaye Tiote and Anita? Not really. But Pards likes to start him. Ideally I'd like to go. .....................Cisse................. ..............Marv.........Hatem .....................Cabaye............ ..............Tiote..........Anita....... NewLB....Collo.....NewCD.....Santon Edited December 13, 2012 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 Not really. But Pards likes to start him. Ideally I'd like to go. .....................Cisse................. ..............Marv.........Hatem ........Tiote......Cabaye....Anita... *drools* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17238 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 *drools* Cisse, Tiote, Cabaye and Marveux have been shit so far this season. Sell the lot of them next month and thats a season's champions league money without having to qualify for the fucker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Cisse, Tiote, Cabaye and Marveux have been shit so far this season. Sell the lot of them next month and thats a season's champions league money without having to qualify for the fucker Our books are quite healthy apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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