Renton 21624 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Bush sold the invasion of Iraq to Chirac by telling him he saw "Gog and Magog at work" . The epitome of Religious nutjobbery I actually wouldn't disagree, it's massively regrettable that the US elected an evangelical born again christian and that in my mind played a role in the conflict. But keep up, it's the enduring argument here it's not religion to blame, but "power". Now, are you with us ( a fellow cockknocker) or against us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Thought the position was that Islam is fundamentally more evil and ultimately to blame. I think religion has a lot to answer for on both sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21624 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Thought the position was that Islam is fundamentally more evil and ultimately to blame. I think religion has a lot to answer for on both sides That would be an oversimplification in my eyes but I don't think it's right to assume all religions are morally equivalent either. Not even logical when you're coming from the pov of a secularist from a country developed from Christian principles. From that perspective, Islam would be relatively less moral almost by definition. But anyway, if you read the thread it's now claimed no religion (collectively or specifically) is to blame, it all about power. I disagree completely in the case of ISIS, but also to a lesser degree in US aggression (lesser for the latter because I believe Bush was a nominal leader only, I doubt his advisors were religious nut jobs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 All the leading neocons, from Irving Kristol and his son William Kristol, to Paul Wolfowitz, Abram Shulsky, and Richard Perle, either studied under, or independently studied, the teachings of Leo Strauss. The neocon movement is definitely made up of Straussians and Strauss is often referred to as the father of the neoconservative movement. http://www.deism.com/neoconsbible.htm Think Cheney was the only one that did it for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21624 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 All the leading neocons, from Irving Kristol and his son William Kristol, to Paul Wolfowitz, Abram Shulsky, and Richard Perle, either studied under, or independently studied, the teachings of Leo Strauss. The neocon movement is definitely made up of Straussians and Strauss is often referred to as the father of the neoconservative movement. http://www.deism.com/neoconsbible.htm Think Cheney was the only one that did it for money. So to get this straight, you are suggesting Iraq2, Afghanistan, and the countless other conflicts we've seen in this millennium were religiously inspired, from the West as well as the Middle East? Interesting. Not sure how KCG will handle that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) So to get this straight, you are suggesting Iraq2, Afghanistan, and the countless other conflicts we've seen in this millennium were religiously inspired, from the West as well as the Middle East? Interesting. Not sure how KCG will handle that. I will handle it by condescendingly, nay even patronisingly, rubbishing anybody who uses that website as a source for anything you ignoramous. Edited November 25, 2015 by Kevin Carr's Gloves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21923 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Thought the position was that Islam is fundamentally more evil and ultimately to blame. I think religion has a lot to answer for on both sides I've been hammering all religion in this thread. A Christian fundamentalist like Bush with his finger on the nuclear button was terrifying. Equally bemusing was Blair's admission he prayed to God about whether to invade Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 More terrifying than bemusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21923 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 More terrifying than bemusing. Well, both, frankly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21624 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I will handle it by condescendingly, nay even patronisingly, rubbishing anybody who uses that website as a source for anything you ignoramous. The website HF cited you mean? HF, welcome to cockknockers anonymous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33202 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 You can't knock a cock, where would we be without the one eyed snake and it's venom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4156 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Not exactly relevant to this cyclical discussion but I just came across a rather amusing newspaper clipping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4385 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I've been hammering all religion in this thread. A Christian fundamentalist like Bush with his finger on the nuclear button was terrifying. Equally bemusing was Blair's admission he prayed to God about whether to invade Iraq.Hence my opinion that anyone that religious should be barred from any responsible job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21624 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Hence my opinion that anyone that religious should be barred from any responsible job. Although ironically the opposite is de facto true in the US, one of the few supposed secular countries. Although Obama us clearly bluffing his religious credentials imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Ignoring the personal tragedy for a moment, it's hilarious how the media works. Those nasty Jihadis shooting at the pilot parachuting to safety..... The same pilot who a few minutes earlier was dropping bombs on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42442 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Ignoring the personal tragedy for a moment, How to be a Tory ; Lesson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Nice , personal, view on Syrian refugees from David (The Wire) Simon http://davidsimon.com/2376-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2979 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 How to be a Tory ; Lesson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Big debate in Parliament at 11.15 with the PM laying out the case for us going into Syria. Shadow cabinet have already had their secret briefing from the spooks this morning about the current terror threat from Isis. I can't really see what an extra six planes are going to bring to the party, particularly when the terrorists are all living in tunnels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Isis tunnels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Big debate in Parliament at 11.15 with the PM laying out the case for us going into Syria. Shadow cabinet have already had their secret briefing from the spooks this morning about the current terror threat from Isis. I can't really see what an extra six planes are going to bring to the party, particularly when the terrorists are all living in tunnels. Cameron will look like da man. I imagine Isis are ready to go in London as soon as the first airstrikes go in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21923 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) you have to wonder what cameron throwing his willy on the table is going to. it isn't particularly big or impressive, is largely pointless and if he puts it to use there's every chance he'll get fucked in the arse as a result Edited November 26, 2015 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 A few airstrikes from us will make no strategic difference and put UK citizens in harms way. I can't see any rationale behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Cameron will look like da man. I imagine Isis are ready to go in London as soon as the first airstrikes go in. Hang on. According to your 'Paris' narrative, ISIS didn't plan attacks in France from the day they started the air strikes. Now your saying they will wait until the UK joins the air strikes before striking? I'll be polite and say that's inconsistent. Then we will also have to assume that the attacks will take place within or around 6 weeks, otherwise that would be another unraveling of the broader geopolitical narrative you and others have been erroneously pushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 8 minutes in and Cameron's convinced me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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