Syria

[Happy Face 29]

 

American Is Killed in First Casualty for U.S. Forces in Syria Combat

[Rayvin 5176]

Wonder how Trump will do for those sorts of lies.

[Park Life 71]

Isis smashed in Aleppo last couple of days. 10,000 civilians reach safe Kurdish zone.

Edited November 28, 2016 by Park Life

[Tooj 17]

Parky do you follow the sub Reddit on the whole situation? It's excellent.

[Park Life 71]

Parky do you follow the sub Reddit on the whole situation? It's excellent.

Will have a look at that. Cheers.

 

edit: Looks good...Updaitng in real time.

[ewerk 30266]

 

Syrian pro-government forces have been entering homes in eastern Aleppo and killing those inside, including women and children, the UN says.

 

The UN's human rights office said it had reliable evidence that in four areas 82 civilians were shot on the spot.

 

A spokesman said it looked like there had been a "complete meltdown of humanity in Aleppo".

 

Rebels, who have held east Aleppo for four years, are on the brink of defeat.

[Rayvin 5176]

Just read the reports on this in detail. Sounds utterly horrifying. Assad is a total psychopath who clearly couldn't give a shit about the populace in his country. This US-Russia bollocks is getting fucking old tbh, it's wrought only devastation wherever it rears its head.

 

How is Assad going to unify the country after this ffs. How are the people who carried this out going to live with themselves. I'm half tempted to suggest that Russia may as well absorb the fucking place because anything that Syria once was, it surely no longer is.

[Dr Gloom 21813]

It's just awful.

[PaddockLad 17079]

It's worse than that Gloom...

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/aleppo-falls-to-syrian-regime-bashar-al-assad-rebels-uk-government-more-than-one-story-robert-fisk-a7471576.html?cmpid=facebook-post

[Rayvin 5176]

Thanks for that PL. Nice to see some balance. Really sad though...

[Rayvin 5176]

I can't stand the guy but fucking good speech from Osborne. Totally counter to my line of thought but he's made a good case:

 

George Osborne, the former chancellor, is speaking now, from the backbenches.

(Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, is responding for the government, but in a debate like this he does not have to speak at the start.)

Osborne says the concept of an emergency debate suggests this has taken the Commons by surprise.

But the Syrian civil war has been going on since 2011.

He says MPs are “deceiving” themselves if they think they have no responsibility for what happened.

What is happening came out of a vacuum - a vacuum of Western leadership.

He says he takes responsibility as a former leader. And parliament must take responsibility too.

He says in 2012 and 2013 there was no majority in the Commons for providing the opposition with lethal arms.

And in 2013 the Commons voted against military action, even though Assad had broken a 100-year taboo and used chemical weapons.

Labour’s Graham Jones asks if Osborne thinks a war in 2013 would have been winnable.

Osborne says a red line had been crossed. And the vote in the Commons had an impact. It encouraged Washington to have cold feet.

He says he last spoke from the backbenches in 2003, in favour of the war in Iraq.

His generation of politicians knows the price of intervention. Now it has become almost impossible to intervene anywhere.

But now the opposite problem has arisen.

"We are beginning to learn the price of not intervening."

Islamic State has emerged. And Russia has emerged as the dominant player in the region, for the first time since the 1970s, he says.

"Let us be clear now. If you don’t shape the world, you will be shaped by it."

Edited December 13, 2016 by Rayvin

[NJS 4371]

It was Isis and other dodgy fuckers he wanted to arm so he can fuck right off.

 

As well as caring about Syrian kids but not British ones if they're poor.

[Howmanheyman 32728]

It was Isis and other dodgy fuckers he wanted to arm so he can fuck right off.

 

As well as caring about Syrian kids but not British ones if they're poor.

Aye, he's some fucking neck on him.

[Rayvin 5176]

@Dr Gloom

 

I'm not posting this to bait you or anything but I'd appreciate your view on her arguments. Its only 5 mins long.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IIrzJcEWAU

Edited December 13, 2016 by Rayvin

[Park Life 71]

[Dr Gloom 21813]

she makes sense when she talks about scrutinising sources, particularly somewhere like syria, where unless you're on the ground there, it's hard to know exactly what the fuck is going on.

 

we publish a lot of videos with pretty brutal pictures from Reuters, which Syrian civilians have uploaded to social media sites from their phones. we always have to include the disclaimer that it hasn't been independently verified and that the footage purports to show the shelling of aleppo, or whatever. 

 

her claims that "the corporate media", whatever that means, has an agenda of regime change is baseless. suggesting that assad hasn't barrel bombed or used chemical weapons on civilians is also a fallacy. 

[Rayvin 5176]

she makes sense when she talks about scrutinising sources, particularly somewhere like syria, where unless you're on the ground there, it's hard to know exactly what the fuck is going on.

 

we publish a lot of videos with pretty brutal pictures from Reuters, which Syrian civilians have uploaded to social media sites from their phones. we always have to include the disclaimer that it hasn't been independently verified and that the footage purports to show the shelling of aleppo, or whatever. 

 

her claims that "the corporate media", whatever that means, has an agenda of regime change is baseless. suggesting that assad hasn't barrel bombed or used chemical weapons on civilians is also a fallacy. 

 

Thanks that's an interesting analysis - I agree on your view concerning her regime change narrative, I can't think why anyone in the media would be overly concerned with such a thing.

[Rayvin 5176]

 

 

[Gemmill 44392]

Gloom blatantly works for Buzzfeed.

[ChezGiven 0]

I thought it was the Jewish Chronicle? 

[Alex 34846]

Surely prefixing any media publication / channel / website with the word 'Jewish' is superfluous.

[Alex 34846]

for @Mossad

[Dr Gloom 21813]

I thought it was the Jewish Chronicle?

My mother would be so proud

 

Nowhere as hip as buzzfeed I'm afraid

[Dr Gloom 21813]

The latest pictures of dead kids and babies being carried out of the rubble in Aleppo is too much to stomach. Barbarsm - there's no other word for it.

[Dr Gloom 21813]

Then you've got the pictures of emaciated children starving to death in Yemen. Horrific