desmondTUTU 0 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I may be in the minority in that I care I agree. Something needs to change to stop this. Giving the accused the same anonymity that an accuser has will go a long way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Because they didn't believe the defences case, that isn't what happened, the defence successfully showed there was doubt or the prosecution failed to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the crime happened. That's what happened in the eyes of the law, which is what we are talking about. There may have been people in the jury who believed the defence and people in the jury that believed the prosecution but as a whole the jury came together and decided that the prosecution did not have a strong enough case, belief did not come into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Because they didn't believe the defences case, that isn't what happened, the defence successfully showed there was doubt or the prosecution failed to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the crime happened. That's what happened in the eyes of the law, which is what we are talking about. There may have been people in the jury who believed the defence and people in the jury that believed the prosecution but as a whole the jury came together and decided that the prosecution did not have a strong enough case, belief did not come into it. But you cannot know if that is correct can you? Only people in the jury know that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADP 0 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 But you cannot know if that is correct can you? Only people in the jury know that! It is illegal to do otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I do know, it isn't the Jury's job to believe the defence or prosecution. You said the Jury believed the defence which is completely wrong, like I said before the defence successfully proved doubt in the prosecutions case or the prosecution couldn't prove their case beyond reasonable doubt. Belief doesn't enter into it and neither do assumptions. What the individuals in the jury believed is completely irrelevant, they made their judgement based on what was proven in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) It is illegal to do otherwise. No wonder he was found not guilty then edit; which does not change my original belief that the accused should remain anonymous. Edited March 12, 2014 by desmondTUTU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3789 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) No wonder he was found not guilty then edit; which does not change my original belief that the accused should remain anonymous. That wasn't your original belief though. You said, and I pataphrase here " the slappers should get the same jail time as a rapist would". Edited March 12, 2014 by Kevin Carr's Gloves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 That wasn't your original belief though. You said, and I pataphrase here " the slappers should get the same jail time as a rapist would". That was actually asprilla that said that but I will let it go because you tend to get everything else wrong when you first wake up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kevin Carr's Gloves 3789 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 That was actually asprilla that said that but I will let it go because you tend to get everything else wrong when you first wake up You called them slappers and said they all made false allegations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3789 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 You called them slappers and said they all made false allegations. What planet are you on? I used the word 'slapper' once Who are 'them'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Gowen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3789 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 What planet are you on? I used the word 'slapper' once Who are 'them'? You can't count up to two then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) We can all agree that rape is vile. A good quote I read recently was about teaching boys not to think that consent was enough but rather to look for actual enthusiasm! That said, there is clearly a breed of girl who makes it their focus to snare a footballer. Those girls aren't really like normal girls and have a different moral outlook. Edited March 13, 2014 by Asprilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41931 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 So it's ok to rape the shit out of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44117 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 The Lads 1, Slappers Nil outlook is fucking depressing, but not surprising from our resident insufferable cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I agree to change if the slappers do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6968 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Can we not just ban him? He drags every thread down these days. He's just the new LM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Not even questionable that this girl should face any action. The coppers can't go from believing your story and making a case against someone off the back of it, getting it to court and then flip it round to try and make a case against the complainant. If there were any doubts about her sincerity it wouldn't have got this far. And DT is a bellend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21760 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Beyond reasonable doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 She must be entirely sincere. That much is true. That also goes for the other ladies who accuse footballers and celebrities of rape. They have no motives or greed and their entirely genuine. Totally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 She must be entirely sincere. That much is true. That also goes for the other ladies who accuse footballers and celebrities of rape. They have no motives or greed and their entirely genuine. Totally If there's evidence to the contrary, like here, then they're charged. It's estimated that around two false rape allegations are made every month in the UK. The BBC report 85,000 women raped in the UK in a year, equating to about 230 cases every day. The problem of malicious, false accusations applies to about 0.03% of cases on those figures. What change to the law are you proposing to deal with that tiny minority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 That link will not open on my phone. I'm guessing those figures are just the ones that were prosecuted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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