Positive Wonga Article

[Gemmill 44934]

We're talking about people who've either run out of options or aren't educated enough to know of the alternative options (if any) available to them. And a company that is in business to exploit this.

 

You've picked the wrong side here tbh. Or the wrong job.

[trophyshy 7083]

Cisse should start his own alternative interest free payday loan company, that would be the truly Islamic thing to do. Refusing to wear a shirt is neither here nor there in the grand scheme if you wish to make a difference.

[ewerk 30632]

We're talking about people who've either run out of options or aren't educated enough to know of the alternative options (if any) available to them. And a company that is in business to exploit this.

 

You've picked the wrong side here tbh. Or the wrong job.

 

They don't attempt to exploit the poor fuckers who have no way of repaying it though. Lending to people who can't pay you back isn't a great business model and as a result they reject 60% of all applications.

 

Personally I'd rather that their logo wasn't on our shirt but I'm certainly not overly upset at the fact that it is.

[Park Life 71]

 

lol sorry for the multi post - but you do know that Islam, Christianity and Catholicism (sp?) are all really branches of the same religion right?

 

to say Christians aren't religious is a bit daft, course they are - I am. I'd say people who "say" they are Christian aren't - cos its a stupid british thing for complete bloody morons to mixup religion and cultural identity. (e.g the "I'm British, I'm church of England" when they haven't ever been to bloody church.

Probably why I said Jesus would come back as a Muslim.

 

These religions are all made up anyway.

[Asprilla 96]

God doesn't live in the sky ffs!!

And if he's influencing football matches then he's got his priorities wrong IMO.

[Meenzer 15550]

Christians aren't religious. That's one religion that has stepped aside to the wonders of explotation and rampant capitalism...Barely a peep out of the fuckers. Jesus will come back as a muslim nailed on...

 

He'd probably hope not to be.

[Renton 21635]

And if he's influencing football matches then he's got his priorities wrong IMO.

And he hates NUFC. The massive twat.

[The Fish 10858]

[Renton 21635]

 

They don't attempt to exploit the poor fuckers who have no way of repaying it though. Lending to people who can't pay you back isn't a great business model and as a result they reject 60% of all applications.

 

Personally I'd rather that their logo wasn't on our shirt but I'm certainly not overly upset at the fact that it is.

Think I read somewhere that most of Wonga's revenue comes from penalties from defaults? Is this BS?

[ewerk 30632]

I doubt whether those figures are readily available due to the fact that it's still a private company, unless they have to report it to the FSA (or whatever it's called these days).

[desmondTUTU 0]

I think we need to put an end to this silly debate. He should respect his employer in equal terms to his religion.

[Kid Dynamite 7033]

Aye right

[desmondTUTU 0]

If the club fine him and nobody else comes in for him he'll have that shirt on sooner or later.

[Renton 21635]

It's ridiculous he thinks he can dictate to his employer who our sponsors are on the basis of his highly selective religious beliefs. He's either a hypocritical idiot or is engineering a move; if it's the latter be honest about it ffs.

 

Either way, how can either side climb down now, and are we going to replace him (plus another two proven strikers)?

 

We are so fucked it's untrue.

[trophyshy 7083]

Close the multi faith room if he won't wear the shirt.

[Monroe Transfer 0]

Wonder how he'd react if he joined a club in the Sky Bet Championship...

[adios 717]

It's ridiculous he thinks he can dictate to his employer who our sponsors are on the basis of his highly selective religious beliefs. He's either a hypocritical idiot or is engineering a move; if it's the latter be honest about it ffs.

 

so he's a hypocrite for finding two similar but different things as different? that's like saying that if you support the legalisation of marijuana but not heroin, you are a "hypocritical idiot".

 

surely it's not hard to understand that a modern muslim would see banking as a necessary institution, but have a problem with a lending institution that is seen by many as predatory lenders?

 

how is it any different from the modern christian not wanting to burn every gayist who eats shrimp on a friday?

 

I don't think you're being very fair, but I know what a big fan of religion you are

[Howmanheyman 33267]

Not saying the club are putting pressure on Cisse but 'Agentinian day' at the club canteen was hastily changed to 'Bacon butty day' yesterday.

[ChezGiven 0]

 

surely it's not hard to understand that a modern muslim would see banking as a necessary institution, but have a problem with a lending institution that is seen by many as predatory lenders?

 

In that case it's got nothing to do with Islamic law. There is nothing in the Koran about pay-day lenders but there is, apparently, something about usury. Virgin money is not compliant with the principle so under any reading of the religious law, its hypocritical.

 

Religious morality doesn't work like secular morality and you are confusing them. The consequences of pay day lending are why people have an issue with them, they can lead to negative problems for certain people. Thou shalt not commit usury doesn't refer to its consequences.

 

The two main moral theories humans adhere to can be summarised as 'the goodness of an action is determined by what is right' (as per religious law) and 'the rightness of an action is determined by what is good' (as measured by its consequence).

 

Therefore Cissé is a fucking hypocrite.

Edited July 18, 2013 by ChezGiven

[Renton 21635]

so he's a hypocrite for finding two similar but different things as different? that's like saying that if you support the legalisation of marijuana but not heroin, you are a "hypocritical idiot".

 

surely it's not hard to understand that a modern muslim would see banking as a necessary institution, but have a problem with a lending institution that is seen by many as predatory lenders?

 

how is it any different from the modern christian not wanting to burn every gayist who eats shrimp on a friday?

 

I don't think you're being very fair, but I know what a big fan of religion you are

The Koran predates both modern banking and pay day loans by some 700 years so the whole argument is somewhat ridiculous, but yes, he's being a hypocrite IMO as there's no absolute difference between the two. At what specific interest rate threshold does his piety cut in I wonder?

 

I reckon the truth is he wants out, and frankly I don't blame him because so do I. But the way he's conducting himself is out of order, again IMO, obviously. I think we'all see a few more rats jumping ship with pathetic excuse before the season's out as well.

 

African Muslim players have some baggage about them like. Won't play for the wrong sponsor, can't play effectively during Ramadan, and regularly miss vital league games because of the ACN. And disappointingly, are just as mercenary as any other players, following the money whilst protesting faux piety. I mean, how can any footballer take the moral high ground about anything considering the massive vulgarity of their industry? How unfair was that?

 

Edit: and what Chez said.

Edited July 18, 2013 by Renton

[ChezGiven 0]

Aye good point Rents, at anything above 20% APR it becomes too much for him.

 

What a load of shite this is.

[Park Life 71]

Could have come to a compromise like in the Kanouote case with Seville. Some charity ended up with half a million in the end...Club is run by bufoons,

[PUGATRON1000 0]

I cant help feeling that the media have instigated/propogated this whole thing. reports were out a day or two after Wonga deal was announced that suggested/intimated that Tiote and Ben Arfa would likely not wear the shirt either. Apart from Kanoute has this issue EVER reared its head?? Given that a substantial proportion of the teams in the world are sponsored by financial/gambling companies then surely there must have been another incident??

 

As for Cisse, I get the gut feeling (based on little to no substantive knowledge,) that he has received some bad counsel, and that there is more to this than religious beliefs, as said by many how come the Virgin Money logo didnt offend him to any notable degree? Surely if his religion condemns the practice of charging interest on loans it is a "black and white" issue, in that there cannot be any shades of grey, It's either charged or not!!

 

Perhaps there's some semblance of a silver lining in that he now has a week or so training alone, and if there is one person involved with the club who has five or more firing neurons then he will be on 8 hours a day offside training!!

[PUGATRON1000 0]

Could have come to a compromise like in the Kanouote case with Seville. Some charity ended up with half a million in the end...Club is run by bufoons,

Surely the compromise to let him wear an unbranded or differently branded shirt would be a call for the sponsors?? (wonga, not nufc)

[adios 717]

both miss the comparison with modern, moderate christians?