ChezGiven 0 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 both miss the comparison with modern, moderate christians?Ignored due to its irrelevance to the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 so modern interpretations of both books are unrelated? I don't think there's a right or wrong here fwiw, some people might just be a little more/less tolerant of people's belief systems and cissé is no theologian, so I don't buy the in depth discussion of what is or isn't within his set of beliefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTheBobby 1 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Close the multi faith room if he won't wear the shirt. As in 'pull the rug from under his feet' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTheBobby 1 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10858 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Religion is fucking stupid though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Religion is fucking stupid though.Yeah, tiptoeing around the beliefs of someone who thinks Muhammad flew about on a winged horse then climbed a ladder to meet God, Moses and Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 And he hates NUFC. The massive twat.Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrossthepond 877 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Yeah, tiptoeing around the beliefs of someone who thinks Muhammad flew about on a winged horse then climbed a ladder to meet God, Moses and Jesus. It's an allegory, like most religious stories. The Night Journey is meant to represent that Islam followed on from Judaism (Moses) and Christianity (Jesus) like climbing the rungs of a ladder. It's easy to take the piss out of religion nowadays but you have to remember that most of it is common sense and decent morality dressed up in the trappings of mysticism in order to convince early pagan populations who had long believed in similar mystical events/things that it's real. However, Wonga's predatory lending is morally offensive no matter if you believe in God, Santa, the FSM, or nothing at all. If that's really what Cisse is taking a stand against, then I support him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10858 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 It's an allegory, like most religious stories. The Night Journey is meant to represent that Islam followed on from Judaism (Moses) and Christianity (Jesus) like climbing the rungs of a ladder. It's easy to take the piss out of religion nowadays but you have to remember that most of it is common sense and decent morality dressed up in the trappings of mysticism in order to convince early pagan populations who had long believed in similar mystical events/things that it's real. However, Wonga's predatory lending is morally offensive no matter if you believe in God, Santa, the FSM, or nothing at all. If that's really what Cisse is taking a stand against, then I support him. I don't think it is easy to take the piss out of religion. Because the moderate men and women of faith that the majority of us come into contact with aren't the American Evangelists decrying homosexuality as an abomination, or stating without nuance that all abortion is murder, they're not Muslim's who insist on following the Koran and the Hadith to the letter, they aren't the Jews that believe that Jerusalem is there's by the grace of God and that they literally have a divine right to it. They're people who draw strength from their faith, but aren't defined by it. So despite the fact that imo religion is worthy of ridicule, it's gauche to ridicule men and women of faith. The hypocrisy of this case is staggering; A man who is paid a frankly offensive amount of money to play a game, that is inexorably linked to practises that his religion holds abhorrent, whose international audience is built mainly of infidels... how can he suddenly find an amount of interest charged offensive to his sensibilities? That it's being discussed by religious scholars shows to me how fucking daft it is. They're yearning for a loophole. How can we disguise this man's greed/ambition? It's bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7083 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 The hypocrisy of this case is staggering; A man who is paid a frankly offensive amount of money to play a game, that is inexorably linked to practises that his religion holds abhorrent, whose international audience is built mainly of infidels... how can he suddenly find an amount of interest charged offensive to his sensibilities? That it's being discussed by religious scholars shows to me how fucking daft it is. They're yearning for a loophole. How can we disguise this man's greed/ambition? It's bonkers. and the TRUTH shall set us FREE. Fuck religion AND fuck predatory capitalism. And fuck Joe Kinnear whilst we're about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 It's an allegory, like most religious stories. The Night Journey is meant to represent that Islam followed on from Judaism (Moses) and Christianity (Jesus) like climbing the rungs of a ladder. It's easy to take the piss out of religion nowadays but you have to remember that most of it is common sense and decent morality dressed up in the trappings of mysticism in order to convince early pagan populations who had long believed in similar mystical events/things that it's real. However, Wonga's predatory lending is morally offensive no matter if you believe in God, Santa, the FSM, or nothing at all. If that's really what Cisse is taking a stand against, then I support him. I don't find Wonga offensive, because I've not had them trying to force a loan on me. I've had religious people trying to force their religion on me, so find the Abrahamic religions offensive. It's clear though, as people have said, that Cisse and his little spat have little to do with religion, just his own greed wrapped up in bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30633 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 However, Wonga's predatory lending is morally offensive no matter if you believe in God, Santa, the FSM, or nothing at all. If that's really what Cisse is taking a stand against, then I support him. What is predatory about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTheBobby 1 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 This picture off the twitter supposedly showing Cisse in Aspers - has it been disproven do any of the Twitter funboys know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 298 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) That could be any black guy in a wooly hat, it might be my monitor but all I can see is his nose, its poorly lit and hes directly below a light source. Would put this argument to bed if it was though. Edited July 22, 2013 by scoobos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTheBobby 1 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 On a scale of 0-190%apr I'd say it was him like . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Its OK because Aspers don't prey on the lonely, idiotic and vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Looks quite like him. A mate says that he see's him in there alot and at Grosvenors(?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 And he drinks beer. Regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7034 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 All of which doesn't mean he can't have an issue with Wonga. He's a mulsim, not a monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Of course he can do all that and have an issue with Wonga. Qualifies him 100% as a hypocrite too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 All of which doesn't mean he can't have an issue with Wonga. He's a mulsim, not a monk If that's genuinely him, he's taking the fucking piss. and I've been on his side to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17284 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Strange exit policy...wonder where he's going?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33267 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I wouldn't be surprised if the club saw this as an opportunity to cash in on him rather than resolve the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 The mirror running with that image as part of a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 99 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 See how they say "is a GAMBLER" as if when the word is said there's fucking lightning strikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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