Dr Gloom 22142 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Thank god I've been away for four days and missed most of this. Gut wrenching stuff and I can't see any hope of avoiding it. None. As for the blame pie there is lots to go round, but the biggest chunk without doubt goes to Pardew. Ashley gets the blame for not getting rid of Pardew pre Xmas but like many on here, he rightly thought the January influx was enough to climb away from danger. Of course it should have been. No benefits of relegation this time around. Only hope is Ashley gets a great manager who is happy to do a year in the championship and doesn't let the "star" players take the easy bus. At least Shane has been getting Championship practice in Team negative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4820 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Team negative Team fuck them, there's more to life than bla bla bla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Team It'll be alright man, surely? For fucks sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4222 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Lets hope so. I'll always have a soft spot for Swansea if they can get a result tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Team It'll be alright man, surely? For fucks sake. GO TIBAMS FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelie 103 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 If they get beat they'll stay below us, Well they didn't get beat Tom, and they're above us again with a draw due to our appalling goal difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Nice one captain obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21979 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 If they draw, we are going to be the weakest of 4 teams and be at 17th when Wigan beats the shit out of Swansea (who can send their best players on an early holiday they want to really. They got nothing left to play for). I'm not sure we are going to get any points from the next two matches either...we are a shite shite team atm. What have QPR got left to play for? Less than Swansea I reckon. There's something really snide about you BTW, I sense you're loving this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 New contracts at different clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonasjuice 0 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 What have QPR got left to play for? Less than Swansea I reckon. There's something really snide about you BTW, I sense you're loving this. There's a phenomenon when you're in a position like this where people assume the very worst of their own fixtures and the very best of their opponents. Understandable but irritating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaMoUsE 0 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 M'bia tweeting looks ominous for qpr, in disarray right now. If we can't get the 3 points there we deserve to go down and we'll have to just hold our hands up. Fwiw i think we'll be ok. 3 points against qpr and draw against arsenal. would make everything so much more relaxing were wigan to draw or lose tonight tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17642 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Wins for us, the tramps and Norwich on Sunday puts half the division in danger of going down Swansea are deemed to have had a good season but would possibly only be two points ahead of us. West Brom look to be the key, obviously Swansea tonight but theyve also got Norwich at the weekend. Steve Clarke doesnt strike me as a bloke who'd let anyone lie down tbh. Dont think themm getting beat off Wigan had much to do with end of season lack of effort. On 48 points theyre safe, away at manu last game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share Posted May 7, 2013 Wins for us, the tramps and Norwich on Sunday puts half the division in danger of going down From the predictor... That would make for a good last day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share Posted May 7, 2013 Wigan playing Villa means that realistically it'll only be 14th down in danger like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 We could have done with Villa needing a win from the Wigan game.I think Wigan will beat Villa now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 298 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Us being in this situation has nothing to do with the sale of Ba. If you remember, we actually started the season ok, beating Spurs, then a lot of draws followed. November was when it really started to go wrong, and December was just as bad, although we played 3 of the top teams then. At this time we still had Ba. After a very good transfer window Cissé could regain his proper position as a striker, and we'd signed Gouffran who's more of a forward/winger. We actually improved in jan-feb, beating Villa, Chelsea and Southampton. After that it's been a disaster, of course, with Pardew adapting the team to the opposition rather than playing our own game. Playing Cisse on the wing all autumn was disastrous and really fucked up his confidence. Not surprisingly he's started scoring again when played in his proper position. No, you can't blame this season on Ashley. So what about the loss of Tiote, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Colocinni, STaylor etc? it's only Ba missing for that period that counts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hostile_statue 0 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 So what about the loss of Tiote, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Colocinni, STaylor etc? it's only Ba missing for that period that counts? Injuries have cost us of course, but it hasn't been nearly as bad as you make it sound. If we look at that period, Tiote featured in most of the games, S.Taylor too. Ben Arfa played quite a few games in November. We've really missed Colo, even though I think he played in most of the games in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Injuries have cost us of course, but it hasn't been nearly as bad as you make it sound. If we look at that period, Tiote featured in most of the games, S.Taylor too. Ben Arfa played quite a few games in November. We've really missed Colo, even though I think he played in most of the games in December. It's the spine of the team - don't forget Tim Krul too. The Krul - Coloccini - Tiote - Cabaye - Ben Arfa spine has been significantly disrupted for pretty much the entire season. Any side outside of the top 4 would have struggled to get anywhere whilst missing so many massive players. This isn't an excuse - it's a reason for our failings. There are only 10 points between us and 8th place - that would be 3 wins and a draw. So beating Reading, Swansea and West Ham at home, whilst picking up a draw at Wigan. I'm convinced we would have managed that with our spine intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I think the absence of Krul has cost us a lot. I don't think Elliot is that bad but it reminds me of when Harper deputised for Given - not a blatant "problem" but a significant factor nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Missing Krul and Colo has been pretty tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share Posted May 7, 2013 Injuries have cost us of course, but it hasn't been nearly as bad as you make it sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share Posted May 7, 2013 I've removed the top clubs and compared league position with how settled the first 11 are. Obviously not totally alligned, but I think the trendlines there tell a hell of a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5294 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I'm possibly overly optimistic but looking at remaining fixtures... We beat QPR and move onto 41 points. Villa lose to Chelsea who need to win for Champs League football. We're +1 point up on Villa. Wigan beat Swansea and then have to play Arsenal away (who are playing for champs league football), and lose. That means that Wigan are on 38 points on the final day, playing VIlla. If they draw, Wigan go down. If Wigan win, Villa go down, If Villa win, Wigan go down. All we have to do is beat QPR and hope that the champs league clubs keep up their end of the bargain - and given that none of them will be bolted on top 4 until the final day, they should do. As contingencies, Norwich have Man City final day, and Sunderland have Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I'm possibly overly optimistic but looking at remaining fixtures... We beat QPR and move onto 41 points. Villa lose to Chelsea who need to win for Champs League football. We're +1 point up on Villa. Wigan beat Swansea and then have to play Arsenal away (who are playing for champs league football), and lose. That means that Wigan are on 38 points on the final day, playing VIlla. If they draw, Wigan go down. If Wigan win, Villa go down, If Villa win, Wigan go down. All we have to do is beat QPR and hope that the champs league clubs keep up their end of the bargain - and given that none of them will be bolted on top 4 until the final day, they should do. As contingencies, Norwich have Man City final day, and Sunderland have Spurs. Good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Good way to put it. Shows how undeniably shit Sunderland are too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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